IronFilm Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 18 hours ago, kaylee said: what about this? looks ok to me Remember the Phantom 4 Pro has a 1" sensor, which is much bigger than any Phantom has ever had before. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Pierre Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I would never put a drone over a person like that....if you crashed into the ceiling or if the white comforter caused the drone to lose its perspective because it's not contrasts enough, well, the result could be disastrous...consult with a Key or Dolly Grip on how best to accomplish your shot....you're in SoCal..,find one in the 411 directory, offer to buy them lunch on a day they are not booked and describe your shot....there main objective is to rig anything safely!...they will know. PS...I own a drone and would never subject talent to that kind of risk! kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliKMIA Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I built and flew drones for years now. Honestly I think that's a bad idea to use a drone for this type of tight indoor shoot. Here are a few remarks: >>> First, the FAA has no jurisdiction for indoor stuff. "the FAA does not regulate indoor UAS use." >>> GPS positioning is going to be off indoor but since there is no wind, the drone won't drift. Most of DJI drones now comes with a "Vision Positioning" system. Basically, it's a sensor looking downward that can lock on the ground to stay stable. It only works a low altitude (less then 30 ft) and some ground patterns or shape may confuse the system so be careful. >>> The one inch sensor low light capability is not great. The Inspire 2 would do better with a X5S (micro43) or X7 (APSC) camera but that's a huge drone and the propellers wind is going to fuck your shot (it will be a problem with the Phantom also). It's like having 4 powerful fans blasting air at full speed. Basically the blanket and your actor's hair are going to be all over the place.... Finally, the space will be tight for an Inspire, you really need to have a good pilot. Inspire props can hurt you bad. >>> For the building shot question, the altitude for commercial operator (Part 107) is limited to 400 feet. However "Part 107 limits your altitude to 400 feet unless your unmanned aircraft is flying within 400 feet of a structure (in which case you may not fly higher than 400 feet above the top of that structure)." So you can fly has high as 400 feet right above the building assuming you don't burst in the lower ceiling of the airspace above such as Class C or B (some of them start as low as 1000 above the ground). >>> Finally for the sensor, I'm going to assume that you are going to use a DJI drone. They have 4 types of sensor, the Mavic and old Phantoms have a tiny 1/2.3” sensor (eg= bad in low light). The Phantom 4 Pro has a one inch sensor and the inspire comes with a Micro43 (X5S camera) or APS-C/super 35mm (X7 camera). The rest of the settings (resolution, DR, log, etc.) is similar to normal cameras. The inspire 2 can shoot 10 bits prores or 12 bits cinema DNG based on the license you buy. >>> Here is my humble opinion: For the first shoot, just use jib or a crane or make something out of ropes with a camera on a gimbal. Shouldn't be too complicated with a Background Stand System. For the second shot, just hire a local professional with a Part 107 license (FAA commercial drone pilot license). There is plenty of drone operators, this is a very simple shoot, it shouldn't cost you more than $200-500 depending of the complexity and requirement. You can search google or take a look on one of those uber like websites to pick an operator: DroneBase or Droners.io, etc. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 ok... im starting to wrap my brain around this no way im flying a drone inside – just thought id ~ask~ since i have seen lil drones flying around the apple store, but im sure those cameras suck lol i like @DaveAltizer's idea of drone on a jib with the propellors off for indoors, and then my footage will match up a lot easier, cuz this is gonna be one big movement: up, through the ceiling, through "neighboring apartments", through the roof, into the sky. im gonna cut it all together and vfx it into submission update: my one friend has the P4 (not Pro), and my other friend has the Inspire 2 with the X4s camera are either of these good options, or should i hire a pilot with a specific package? looks like the P4 wont cut it for low light (i need a night shot, at dusk or dawn), and the x4s is the 1" sensor, right? thats not ideal huh hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Maze Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The x4s will be perfect. Just light it well and you’ll be golden. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, DaveAltizer said: Just light it well and you’ll be golden. Just light all of outside well and you'll be golden. (this is why it is best to shoot outside at golden hour, then pull down the exposure a little to simulate night best you can) Dave Maze and kaylee 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 hours ago, IronFilm said: Just light all of outside well and you'll be golden. (this is why it is best to shoot outside at golden hour, then pull down the exposure a little to simulate night best you can) thats the plan! not golden hour, but as SOON as the city lights come on, theres still a ton of light in the sky then it should work ok, mind you the cameras pointed down so the (not dark) sky wont be in the shot... i hope that works lol. ive messed around with some screen grabs of other ppls drone footage in post in photoshop and it seems to be working ok. and im willing to go nuts on it with power windows or whatever in post bc its a short effect – a few seconds this is not amazing looking, but for my purposes i think itll be ok, especially since ill shoot before its actually dark ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 better example, heres some footage at dusk that i could grade down (link should start playing at about 7 min) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliKMIA Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 P4 is tiny 1/2.3” sensor. X4s is one inch. That's enough for sunset time if you expose carefully. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 perf! ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Romero 2 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Just remember that flying over moving vehicles or over uncovered people as seen in the videos you linked to is illegal (if you don't have a waiver from the FAA). IronFilm and kaylee 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 ok ill ask lol: how much do you guys think i should be paying for this? my "friend" with the inspire 2 x4s wants $650... but then i looked it up and i was like wait a min i could rent that drone for a WEEK for $650 BUT ive never flown a drone... is doing this myself a crazy idea? i put up a CL ad to get some other rates note: im not saying $650 is too much, im just poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, OliKMIA said: P4 is tiny 1/2.3” sensor. X4s is one inch. That's enough for sunset time if you expose carefully. P4 Pro is also 1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Is the $650 to “get you the shot(s) you want” or to “hire me and my drone for (period)”? There is a difference... kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, kaylee said: BUT ive never flown a drone... is doing this myself a crazy idea? i put up a CL ad to get some other rates 110% chance guaranteed to crash Just now, Snowfun said: Is the $650 to “get you the shot(s) you want” or to “hire me and my drone for (period)”? There is a difference... $650 is a very reasonable half day rate for a guy with an Inspire kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Romero 2 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 hours ago, kaylee said: ok ill ask lol: how much do you guys think i should be paying for this? my "friend" with the inspire 2 x4s wants $650... but then i looked it up and i was like wait a min i could rent that drone for a WEEK for $650 I don't know the exact shot details, but flying a drone at twilight, without running lights, in a crowded urban environment, wit all sorts of electrical interference, and the possibility of losing signal if the drone gets out of line of sight, by someone who has never flown a drone (and I assume you don't study FAA sectional charts for fun) is literally BEGGING for disaster. I think if you bought insurance through verifly to try and mitigate damages, they would probably roll on you once they realized what you were doing, too. The FAA doesn't seem to catch a LOT of people flying drones illegally, but they do throw some hefty fines at the people they do catch. Fortunately for those who are fined, the FAA has been known to settle out of court for about 10%, so if one were to be caught, they would be looking at fines of about $1,000 to about $5,000.* https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xyga8a/faa-drone-fines *That article mentions the SkyPan case, where the FAA originally proposed a fine of $1.8 Million. The FAA and SkyPan apparently settled on a fine of $200,000 https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=21374 kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 14 hours ago, IronFilm said: 110% chance guaranteed to crash ????? thanks i though so ? 14 hours ago, Snowfun said: Is the $650 to “get you the shot(s) you want” or to “hire me and my drone for (period)”? There is a difference... excellent point, we're discussing that lol 14 hours ago, IronFilm said: $650 is a very reasonable half day rate for a guy with an Inspire thats what i wanted to hear! thanks so much to all you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, kaylee said: thats what i wanted to hear! thanks so much to all you guys But still I reckon if you want to go cheaper and save your pennies. You can. Does your DoP have a drone? You might even get lucky and he'd throw it in for free. Or find a keen young P4P owner. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 ha, the DoP is me, im shooting the rest of this short with ml raw on my 5d3 i swear the rest of this v short film is easy shooting – the cameras locked down 90% of the time im gonna see if i can get my friend to do everything i need drone wise for $650. im fine with that, ill find somewhere else to save a few hundred bucks lol maybe ill do the indoor jib shots on my 5d3 and make life easier on my drone guy.... trynna figure all that out rn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, kaylee said: maybe ill do the indoor jib shots on my 5d3 and make life easier on my drone guy.... trynna figure all that out rn No way should do you indoor shots with a drone! Only if the place is MASSIVE like a barn, and there are no people in the shot. Then maaaaybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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