Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Surprise-camera-comeback-drives-Canon-earnings-rally "In 2017, even as many abandoned hope for growth in such operations, the digital camera market rose for the first time in five years, aided by people's desire to shine on the photo-sharing social media platform Instagram. Healthy sales of mirrorless cameras propelled Canon to a 22% operating profit gain in a segment that had been on an uninterrupted decline. The surprise turnaround left supply nearly unable to catch up with demand at one point, and a major camera plant in Nagasaki Prefecture is still working to ramp up output." I don't understand normies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You might understand them better if you tried the latest Canon mirrorless cameras (M5/M6/M100, all having the same sensor and image quality). If you are a photographer - not a videographer - they're really nice, rounded and mature APS-C cameras with superb ergonomics, out-the-cam images, dual-pixel autofocus in bodies that are as compact and light as MFT cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 EOS M6 is popular for vlogger, the only selfie tilt screen camera with mic in, coupled with dpaf and canon colour its a winner for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 2, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 2, 2018 Even the original M gives really nice images imo. Slow af but workable. And of course it gives raw video as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 We should understand "normies" and enthusiast/PROs and take our conclusions from there: normal people need something cheap, reliable and good enough, which perfectly describes the Canon entry line. 1080p is enough, because it looks as good as 4K from a tiny smartphone sensor. Smaller file sizes make for easier sharing, because that is what happens to that footage - you share it as quickly as possible. Also, having a sort of monopoly for many years now gives you a great physical store presence, which is paramount to a normie. Then you have enthusiasts/PROs who may prefer Canon color and DPAF above all or may be bound by their previously bought lenses. In any case, this is a much smaller market and Canon knows that. They optimize cost, because total volume of shipped cameras is going to fall no matter the innovation (people prefer convenience of smartphones). Sony et al. try to outdo each other with their R&D effort and higher margin bodies, which looks impressive on paper, but will never reach the volume of entry-level bodies. AFAIK this is not likely to change anytime soon - there are still huge markets where the level of affluence is only now permitting a large number of people to buy their Rebels with kit lenses to show off in front of their peers. And by then, Canon will optimize their production line to perfection, making bank, while leaving innovation for their cinema line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 We are the 1% of the 1%! Eos M would always be my first recommendation for amateurs, willing to buy a system camera. They are build to appeal to large masses of people, doing simple things right. I wouldn’t buy one right now (even though That was my original idea, before going NX), but the lack of native lenses/pro bodies/technology isn’t there yet for most of us (the 1% percenters, of the 1%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Surprise-camera-comeback-drives-Canon-earnings-rally "In 2017, even as many abandoned hope for growth in such operations, the digital camera market rose for the first time in five years, aided by people's desire to shine on the photo-sharing social media platform Instagram. Healthy sales of mirrorless cameras propelled Canon to a 22% operating profit gain in a segment that had been on an uninterrupted decline. The surprise turnaround left supply nearly unable to catch up with demand at one point, and a major camera plant in Nagasaki Prefecture is still working to ramp up output." I don't understand normies. For every blogger like you Andrew, there're 10 sponsored by Canon. Who's going to be louder? As I've said before (and you know too) Canon only works with those who're positive about them as much as possible. Here's a new example: In a completely unrelated site, someone was saying that the best camera for vlogging is a Canon 6D because some YouTuber recommended it. Turns out Canon has been sending 6Ds to high-profile YouTube vloggers to push the camera for that purpose. You can't deny marketing like that is effective. IronFilm and Damphousse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 So if it is the very casual EOS M models driving these sales with normies, it may lead to something positive for us as well - a mirrorless camera for enthusiasts. You know, like every single other manufacturer has already offered for years The EOS M5 and M6 are toys. Nice toys (for stills), but still toys. The only reason I would buy an M5 or M6 is to load my EOSHD canon picture profiles on for JPEGs and sharing these JPEGs on social media without raw workflow. Would never use them for YouTube or any kind of video work. Since the M3, they are literally Powershots inside (Which is why Magic Lantern won't port to the M5, etc.) Hardly any native lenses. Absolutely terrible video quality, which limits appeal with YouTubers who need 4K (an increasing number) Very few innovative touches. Yet Canon continue to sell well... Brand image, user friendly ergonomics and colour, competitive prices. Innovation clearly is not the only thing that sells. Although you could say that even if sales are recovering, they will never reach heights of pre-smartphone era ever again... and that was an innovation problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Looking at the Amazon sales rankings, its low end DLSR's are still king. The Rebel T6 - not sure what its called in the rest of the world - is #1. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/281052 I've been to 52 countries in the last year an a half, and visited hundreds of tourist sites, CaNikon DSLR's are still big with casual photographers. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yes indeedy. Fidget spinners are popular too by the way. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 2, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Yes indeedy. Fidget spinners are popular too by the way. Mine has sculls on it mercer and thefactory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 I am surprised Canon don't do their own EOS spinner. It would be lacking some features though to protect the higher end model. IronFilm, thefactory, andrgl and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 2, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 2, 2018 But the colors would be ever so sweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 Unlike Sony's fidget spinner which is too magenta, costs £3500 and overheats, causing your fingers to burn off. Brings a new meaning to "having your fingers burnt" over an expensive purchase Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Giberti Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: I am surprised Canon don't do their own EOS spinner. It would be lacking some features though to protect the higher end model. Like the EOS Spinner100 would have the same bearings as the EOS Spinner300. They just wouldn't put any lube on the 100 bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 2, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 2, 2018 Panasonic will release a spinner with all the bells and whistles. Its just a tad small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 And the Panasonic one will cost $5 more but it doesn’t spin... they wouldn’t want to lose sales on their $1 model. They also have their spinning, microwave carousels to consider... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2018 THE RED FIDGET Why have a spinner when you can have a NINJA STAR?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 2, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 2, 2018 Philip Bloom only uses a spinner if he has it hooked up to the $5k Zacuto Spinner grip and motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 BlackMagic magenta spinner that only spins for like 2 seconds before changing batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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