Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 16, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2018 https://***URL removed***/news/1945724359/sensor-breakthrough-sony-has-developed-a-backlit-cmos-sensor-with-global-shutter Sounds nice. One of the biggest reasons I loved the BMPC4K, other than it being 4K raw when 4K wasn't event that available was the GS. On the Bolex it was a key feature as well. And we are many that has shot with the a6300/6500 with mixed feelings due to the jello. There might be light at the end of the tunnel. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hasn’t the global shutter sensor been a long time rumour? I mean as long as the organic sensor rumours, and the curved sensor rumours? Im guessing that this is more believable given that they’ve been implemented in the Blackmagic and Bolex cams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 "Sony Corporation today announced that it has developed a 1.46 effective megapixel back-illuminated CMOS image sensor equipped with a Global Shutter function." We can expect this sensor to hit APS-C and Full Frame cameras by 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2018 You think it will be that fast? Thats only like GH6 and 5Dv away. So in the a6995 or A7xxx then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 At 1.46Mp this thing isn't even HD resolution much less 4k. And assuming this comes out in 2020, by that time expect a 8k sensor with GS and per pixel volt regulation for true realtime HDR on the Panasonic GH6. Color me unimpressed with this announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Heh. I'd sell everything I own for an affordable, ergonomic camera with global shutter and raw recording., especially if it had all the other features of a modern hybrid. Edit: Apart from my lenses and my Olympus OM1. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 This sensor is not meant for consumer cameras. There is a large market for machine vision cameras that need the sensitivity of backlit CMOS sensors with no rolling shutter artifact at all. There have been many Sony CMOS sensors with global shutter. IMX249 & IMX174 are two examples that offer very good dynamic range ~75db as well. I have been using these for years now but with machine vision cameras. For consumers, there is no real need for an actual global shutter. A fast readout is more than enough. Even film has a rolling shutter, just a fast one ~5ms. And consumer digital cameras are already close to that. Take Sony A9 with its stacked sensor for example in stills mode, the readout time is ~6ms, and there is no perceivable artifact in most cases. The A7rIII in 1080p mode has 6ms. GH5s in C4K has about ~11ms. These are excellent numbers. I find anything above 20ms hard to use. For example on the other end of the spectrum, you have the jello 4K cameras such as Sony A6*** * A7s*, X-T2, NX1. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue! jonpais and tellure 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hartman Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 2:02 PM, Mattias Burling said: You think it will be that fast? Thats only like GH6 and 5Dv away. So in the a6995 or A7xxx then. It actually might not be too fast. I think we're going to see a coupe technological jumps in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 In 1080p, from the usual source: NX1/NX500 has 7.9ms/8.6ms which is outstanding considering date of release etc. a7Riii has 6.1in S35, which is the best measurement/7.7(FF) (more outstanding, but expected) and XT2 has 18.9ms, just to put things in perspective. GH5s (11.3 - 11.9, depending) has less than the GH5 (officially, 15ms), by the way! I do not think that we will see amazing technologies in just 2 years from now. There are a lot of areas that they can improve. Sensor tech, in built ultra fast memory, faster data transfer speeds, better everything! AI chips should play some part too because most of their uses in mobile phones have something to do with photos taken and post processed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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