IronFilm Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, mkabi said: It will definitely sell... Not sure who to blame.... I remember saying that the number of dumb peeps outnumber the smart ones. The scary scary fact, is that half of people are dumber than average. Even scarier, it is ALWAYS going to be like that! :-o ;-) mkabi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Why only half?! I say, we all are dumber than average, while average is the lowest of the low, and humanity is a bucket full of s@%tload of s@%t! I even buy this camera if it goes down in price a little bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Quote The scary scary fact, is that half of people are dumber than average. Even scarier, it is ALWAYS going to be like that! :-o The rule of thumb I give my children is to always assume that at least 75% of the population are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Haha, this is soooo offtopic and, ... wait for it ..., stupid. Film-makers drawing conclusions about people's intelligence based on which cameras they buy. And some even telling their children that 3/4 off them are dumb and presuming that their own offspring don't act stupid in any situation. I mean, you could make a case that a lot of people just don't put in the effort for some critical thinking, but there is always some reason behind seemingly "stupid" behavior. I've stated more than once, that most consumers don't salivate over specs and message boards for the best gear, since a day only has 24 hours and we all need to prioritize. We/they need to believe that a sales person is aware that a satisfied customer returns and the customer you sell shit to, does not. And even on this forum, we can agree that a DPAF and the simplicity of use of Canon's products is something you would sell to a non-tech-savvy customer and that a film-maker will not even need advice in the store, but will have had made his decision at home. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Quote Film-makers drawing conclusions about people's intelligence based on which cameras they buy. Oh no, sorry, I just meant in general - not related to camera buying habits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Some specs leaked by Nokishita (which in general are correct): 24.1MP CMOS sensor with Dual Pixel AF and improved DR DIGIC 8 used for first time! 4K 30fps mode at 100Mbit 2.36mdot OLED EVF 3" 1.04Mdot LCD touch screen 10fps and up to 7.4fps with AF 100-25600 ISO (extended ISO: 51200) Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC CR3 RAW format and new C-RAW compact format (40% compression format) February 27 preorder start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I am pro Canon. They must be doing some things right to still be number one. I am not defending them, they certainly are holding back too much on too mamy of their products, but for most people, even their mirrorless makes more sense than 10 bit codecs and exotic 1.2f lenses. Good AF, good color science and pleasing images, ok ergonomy and touch screens, and most people are happy. Of, course it would be difficult for me to buy such a "basic" camera, but what do I know? I still use 2014 cameras that have arguably more tech than any Canon APS-C camera in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoslover Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said: Some specs leaked by Nokishita (which in general are correct): 24.1MP CMOS sensor with Dual Pixel AF and improved DR DIGIC 8 used for first time! 4K 30fps mode at 100Mbit 2.36mdot OLED EVF 3" 1.04Mdot LCD touch screen 10fps and up to 7.4fps with AF 100-25600 ISO (extended ISO: 51200) Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC CR3 RAW format and new C-RAW compact format (40% compression format) February 27 preorder start Where did you get the 30fps 100Mbit info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 21, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2018 Nokishita didn't say anything about 30fps or 100Mbit. Vitaliy at Personal-view seemed to draw it out of thin air and add it to the list of specs on his site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoslover Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Nokishita didn't say anything about 30fps or 100Mbit. Vitaliy at Personal-view seemed to draw it out of thin air and add it to the list of specs on his site. That being said, I am not surprised to see 30fps and 2.3x crop though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 21, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2018 I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5x crop, 17Mbit MJPEG and 30i, which you have to deinterlace in post Got to stop all those C300 II PL mount owners being tempted by a compact! IronFilm, Mark Romero 2 and Aussie Ash 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted February 21, 2018 Super Members Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, JurijTurnsek said: I've stated more than once, that most consumers don't salivate over specs and message boards for the best gear, since a day only has 24 hours and we all need to prioritize. Exactly. For some being available in a store close by is enough to be "best". As a side note, I went through the popular tourist district (gamla stan) in Stockholm today. Lots of people from Japan, Finland and Russia walking around taking pictures. I would say 30-40% where smartphones. I saw a couple of bridge cameras and advanced compacts. One Fuji One Olympus The rest where Canon DSLRs, they outnumbered the smartphones I saw in use. But of course every single person most likely has one. (not a single Pansony or Nikon in sight.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, IronFilm said: For instance, who wants to place bets on 4K 15fps happening? Haha Haha... I will take that bet... Wait... wait... whats the burst rate again? Oh yeah.... okay... I will raise you 4K 10fps... haha. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 21, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2018 How about 22.5fps 4K? From now on, every Canon should come with a picture of their smiling CEO in the box. mkabi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Keystar Insurance said: Panasonic G85, GX85, GX9 Olympus EM5II too. People will whine that Oly's 1080 has too much moire, but whatevs. It does all the other stuff just fine. And, really, the IBIS is really, really, really good. Really. FWIW, I also shot 6 docs on the GX85. That camera is a great value. 9 hours ago, tyger11 said: Other manufacturers are solving their color issues. Sorry. I forgot sarcasm doesn't flush through the intertubes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: How about 22.5fps 4K? From now on, every Canon should come with a picture of their smiling CEO in the box. The picture would have a complimentary middle finger shown by the CEO too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: How about 22.5fps 4K? From now on, every Canon should come with a picture of their smiling CEO in the box. It will be something stupid like 4k with half the vertical resolution at 3x crop and 5 min limit. The 1080p modes will be comparable to the DVX-100 at 720x576, but a bit worse. Comes with a cable to connect with your C700, so you get a worthless extra screen. Plus a shiny silver sticker that says "best quality 4k" or something. Like everyone else, I want Canon to make their C300 II owners feel well and truly awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoslover Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: Exactly. For some being available in a store close by is enough to be "best". As a side note, I went through the popular tourist district (gamla stan) in Stockholm today. Lots of people from Japan, Finland and Russia walking around taking pictures. I would say 30-40% where smartphones. I saw a couple of bridge cameras and advanced compacts. One Fuji One Olympus The rest where Canon DSLRs, they outnumbered the smartphones I saw in use. But of course every single person most likely has one. (not a single Pansony or Nikon in sight.) not surprised at all, Canon's been always leading the camera world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stakers Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Anyone think the 4k might just be for time-lapse like the 6d2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: Exactly. For some being available in a store close by is enough to be "best". As a side note, I went through the popular tourist district (gamla stan) in Stockholm today. Lots of people from Japan, Finland and Russia walking around taking pictures. I would say 30-40% where smartphones. I saw a couple of bridge cameras and advanced compacts. One Fuji One Olympus The rest where Canon DSLRs, they outnumbered the smartphones I saw in use. But of course every single person most likely has one. (not a single Pansony or Nikon in sight.) I live and work on a more touristic country than Sweden (around 32.000.000 tourists for 2017), and my impression is that smartphones use is something like 70%, and that depends by a lot of factors. The wealth/class/social status of said visitors, if it is an archaeological site or a popular beach, on ultra expensive Santorini, or cheap side of Kos e.t.c In popular and lower income mass tourism locations, the smartphone usage is something like 99%! In more expensive and cultural locations (museums, not very popular archaeological sites) there are a lot more dedicated cameras. My impression, is that, for camera users, Canon is like, almost all! Nikon APS-C, Olympus, and lately Sony are following (especially Sony, which was a non factor a few years ago). I have seen a few Panasonic, NX cameras (a lot of brown or white, certainly as fashion statements as well) and Fuji (especially in Japanese tourists) but I believe I saw them, because it was strange that I saw someone with those kind of cameras. My estimation? Canon is number one, by far, certainly in total sales (I am not sure about total profit), Olympus seems to sell surprisingly well, and maybe Panasonic does not sell too well to the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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