ntblowz Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, mercer said: But I would just get a Nikon F to EF-M focal reducer and use focus peaking which works really well on the EOS-M cameras. Then what the point of DPAF in the first place lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Honestly, if I do get one, I’ll keep a 22mm in my pocket for stills and 1080p and a couple c-mounts in my other pocket for 4K. 2 minutes ago, ntblowz said: Then what the point of DPAF in the first place lol? There’s no DPAF in 4K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Canon-catch-22: do you leave 4K our and have people bitch about that or do you implement it in a incredibly limited way and have people bitch about that? Also: Panasonic has 4K working for 1" sensors (looking at you, Sony RX100) and up to FF (Leica). However, Pana is stuck using CDAF, so maybe others have to dedicate too much of their CPU time to PDAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ma Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, mercer said: Honestly, if I do get one, I’ll keep a 22mm in my pocket for stills and 1080p and a couple c-mounts in my other pocket for 4K. There’s no DPAF in 4K. Canon is being Canon. No DPAF in 4K and ridiculous crop. I wonder how terrible the rolling shutter is. I'm surprised how much hype is around this camera that has useless 4K. Juank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, mercer said: Honestly, if I do get one, I’ll keep a 22mm in my pocket for stills and 1080p and a couple c-mounts in my other pocket for 4K. There’s no DPAF in 4K. I wouldn't shoot lens without IS unless it got IBIS, but that just me Anyway the timing is good for me since I will be going to Japan in April, and they are pretty cheap in Japan. (with additional 8% tax rebate even cheaper!) mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 m50 has a 1.6x crop when shooting 4k,that's about 2.5x crop from a ff sensor. And dual pixel AF is not available when shooting 4k, the Contrast AF is very slow more over, the battery life is terribly short Why Canon keep making those weird things? Juank and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Yurolov said: Exactly what I am saying. The GH5 is a huge camera and it needs to be - and that's with a m43 sensor. But you already have people complaining on here that the m50 will be crippled cause such and such reason and they don't even mention the size limitations, which size was put in place specifically for the vlogging crowd. Everyone on here will have to wait for the ff mirroless, if any, to see what canon are really holding back/giving. In the end this camera will be far better than the a6500 cause you will actually be able to see what you are shooting in bright daylight and the colors will be a heck of a lot better and it will be far, far cheaper. We weren't complaining. we were just speculating what compromise would be made. For the record, the Fuji xe3 has 4k with autofocus and no crop and is a smaller camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ash Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 “Our core goal when developing new entry-level interchangeable lens cameras for our consumers is to meld high-quality features and usability together. In listening to our customers, we believe we have achieved this goal with both the EOS M50 and EOS Rebel T7, ” said Yuichi Ishizuka, president and COO, Canon U.S.A., Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Ma said: Canon is being Canon. No DPAF in 4K and ridiculous crop. I wonder how terrible the rolling shutter is. I'm surprised how much hype is around this camera that has useless 4K. All 4K is pretty useless at this price point, so I don’t mind the crop. Sure I’d rather it be less, but it isn’t and I’m not going to lose sleep over it. 1 hour ago, ntblowz said: I wouldn't shoot lens without IS unless it got IBIS, but that just me Anyway the timing is good for me since I will be going to Japan in April, and they are pretty cheap in Japan. (with additional 8% tax rebate even cheaper!) I get that, I love Canon’s IS lenses. Even the modest 2 stops on the 28-135mm is pretty steady at the long end. At 4 stops, the 35mm f2 is damn near tripod steady... as is the 24-70mm f4. Please post some videos when you get it... I probably won’t pick one up until the summer or fall. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 "No DPAF and a big crop in 4k". Well that's just like teasing people to the brink of excitement, only to then show them the middle finger. Well done Canon, you've done it again. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 24 fps, no DPAF, crop ..... all suggest that they were just barely able to get 4K out of the processor. I guess they still have issues with the thermal envelope, at least in an M style body. A little bit weaker than I thought it would be. I wonder what bit rate they are using? Also, having a crop probably means they are using nominal pixels, so the overall resolution is likely to be soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Yeah, 24/25 fps with no DPAF with a 1.6 crop factor is not good at all. The only good news that they can now do 4k h264 at 120 Mbits. Hopefully they can improve on the M5 II but I don't have too much hope now.... Currently cannon can read 4k 60fps with low rolling shutter but no oversampling (1dx II) with DPAF (even at 120fps fhd with DPAF). They can do 120 Mbits 4k h264 but have to disable DPAF and max 25fps. Maybe is just thermal issues from the small body but I'm not sure.... Not really good news in the video front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I guess that they take the wishes of Canon users saying "we want a camera that could be considered The King Of The Crop in 4k" too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted February 26, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Oliver Daniel said: "No DPAF and a big crop in 4k". Well that's just like teasing people to the brink of excitement, only to then show them the middle finger. Well done Canon, you've done it again. What a bunch of absolute bastards. It's beginning to feel personal! Mattias Burling, OliKMIA, Parker and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Oliver Daniel said: "No DPAF and a big crop in 4k". Well that's just like teasing people to the brink of excitement, only to then show them the middle finger. Well done Canon, you've done it again. Crap!!!.....don't mind the crop, but DPAF was a must.....anyboby knows how long will have to wait for the 5M II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 The camera also has the worst battery life of any camera I've seen https://***URL removed***/reviews/canon-eos-m50 (235 shots compared to 295 on the M6 and 400 on the a6300) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 22-2-2018 at 11:14 PM, Cinegain said: [..] Wonder about the price and what that 4K would actually look like... and/or how Canon decided to cripple it, I mean, it's Canon after all, they're the OG players in the segmentation game. [..] Hum. We'll see. With any new camera release though... better not get your hopes up. Whehehe. I knew it. Typical Canon move again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 4K and no DPAF? I really don’t see the need for anyone to spend ~$800 on this camera. Canon Colors? Sure but with everything this camera DOES NOT have, I don’t see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dustin said: 4K and no DPAF? I really don’t see the need for anyone to spend ~$800 on this camera. Canon Colors? Sure but with everything this camera DOES NOT have, I don’t see the point. I see some potencial...very cheap and small camera with Canon colors....could be used to shoot in public places where you don't want to be notice, like an airport for example, also using the adaptors mentioned early by @mercer you can reduce the crop, you just have to find the right spot with your camera hidden in a small bag and let the actors to do their job, for doc also there is potential, but the lack of DPAF in 4K is really what hurt me most, if it had DPAF is a must have camera.....ohhhh too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 This crop and 4K AF... This is insanely ridiculous. I find it so unfair for other manufacturers who try to push technological boundaries. Yet half of this planet still buy canon. So we are not close to see this ending. noplz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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