Cinegain Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Think that had more to do with the name 'JVC' giving flashbacks to mom & dad DV camcorders. Apparently there were some letdowns like display quality as well. But all who have tried it had seemed positively suprised by what it was able to do... and now many quite significant firmware updates later, it's quite capable. Really like the idea of an APS-C sensor behind a MFT mount leading to new possibilities. Wouldn't mind the new Blackmagic pocket rocket to be capable of such as well. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Time for you to get real Glenn. That photo doesn’t look like an EF mount to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Sorry only saw a photo of the top of the camera... are there others? But “time to get real” this is just a speculation thread Jon, no real reason to get offensive, defensive or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, mercer said: Sorry only saw a photo of the top of the camera... are there others? There is a fuzzy one in the other thread. This back and forth is driving me nuts. Time for beddy bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, mercer said: If it was such a popular professional mount, then why doesn’t the Ursa Pro have a Micro 4/3 Mount? Because it has a s35 sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, jonpais said: I haven’t seen enthusiasm for the pocket wane because of the m4/3 mount. Could you name some of these pros who avoided the camera because of the mount? Well Jon for the Pocket sure it works, but a m4/3 lens doesn't cover a s35 sensor, and that is the standard of the industry like it or not. So no surprise Pros are not all over it. I mean even Panny caved in on the EVA1. And Pros aren't using a BMPCC, they use Arri all day. I know we are talking about the BMPCC here, but this link is for the 2018 Sundance shindig this year. Damn near all of them used a Arri of some kind. It is the King for video, no way around it. And now even the s35 is fading, more and more company's coming out with FF for high end video cameras. http://www.icgmagazine.com/web/next-level-filmmaking/ But there is still hope for us. One of the films was shot on s16mm film. Not hard to find it there. It is the one that looks like a 50's Porn Film compared to the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 A lot of huuUUUge productions have used the BMPCC for vehicle mounting and sorts... IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Cinegain said: Btw, is JVC attending? How old is that GY-LS300 in meanwhile? Would be interesting to see an update to that concept as well. Some very positive remarks about JVC... also in combination with Veydras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, cantsin said: Because it has a s35 sensor. You can have a Micro 4/3 Mount and a Super 35mm sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Cinegain said: A lot of huuUUUge productions have used the BMPCC for vehicle mounting and sorts... As well as dozens of feature films and shorts. Google ShotOnWhat. As far as 16mm goes, I love it! One of my favorite movies, Import/Export, by Ulrich Seidl, was shot on 16mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, jonpais said: As well as dozens of feature films and shorts. Google ShotOnWhat. As far as 16mm goes, I love it! One of my favorite movies, Import/Export, by Ulrich Seidl, was shot on 16mm. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2402927/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, mercer said: You can have a Micro 4/3 Mount and a Super 35mm sensor. But no native lenses for it, and a risk that some adapted lenses (such as extreme wideangles) won't cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted April 7, 2018 Super Members Share Posted April 7, 2018 JVC's Variable Scan Mapping sets itself to 80% for MFT lenses but in my experience you can set it to 90% with most of them. I wouldn't expect an LS300 replacement from them at this show as they seem to be pushing the range above and below it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, cantsin said: But no native lenses for it, and a risk that some adapted lenses (such as extreme wideangles) won't cover. True but irrelevant to the original point that I wouldn’t be surprised if the new pocket had an EF Mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, mercer said: True but irrelevant to the original point that I wouldn’t be surprised if the new pocket had an EF Mount. Then its sensor would need to be larger than 1". - Well anyway, if the last picture is not a fake, then the camera has an MFT mount again. BM is an official member of the MFT standards consortium, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Actual cinema cameras aren't exactly going for the pocket thing. They go with the proven concept of shooting S35... the gold standard if you will and the industry has better things to do than fiddle around with mount adapters. We (enthusiasts, prosumers, independent filmmakers) on the other hand... don't mind if it means we get better flexibility out of it. Especially now a lot of folks in that scene have been shooting with cameras like the GH2, G7, GH4 and GH5 and have quite the lens collection. The problem now is... where you go from there? Because going Blackmagic/Kinefinity et cetera is no step... it's a giant leap that hurts your pockets once you're done putting all of it together. Panasonic brought the GH5S. Z-Cam E2 at a price tag of 1999? This Blackmagic Pocket rocket 4K to follow along those lines? Makes sense to me. There's not a lot going on in the 1999-3499 completely done cinema package area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 46 minutes ago, Cinegain said: Actual cinema cameras aren't exactly going for the pocket thing. See here: https://shotonwhat.com/cameras/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera And compare that to much more successful cameras (in terms of sold units/market share) like the GH2 and GH4: https://shotonwhat.com/cameras/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gh2-camera https://shotonwhat.com/cameras/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gh4-camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Was a response to what mercer had been saying (regarding EF VS MFT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 You don't want a EF mount with a sensor smaller than Super 35, it makes finding good wide lenses difficult. It's why the original blackmagic camera started shipping with the MFT mount after everyone had issues with EF, finding a good wide was a huge issue (and why the Tokina 11-16 sold like wildfire for awhile) If the sensor is Super 35 or Larger EF would make sense, if it's smaller there is no logical reason for it. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoScoops Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yeah, active MFT mount is what we want for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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