Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

[DBounce]

1 hour ago, Samin said:

I saw this picture on BMPCC4K FB Group. It's upcoming DJI Ronin-S

Interesting, I have never seen a camera mounted from the top like this. I wonder if the Ronin follow focus will work with this setup?

[graphicnatured]

24 minutes ago, Yurolov said:

I think the thing that astounds me is that for a standalone 5 inch daylight viewable external monitor from a company like SmallHD you are looking at a price not too dissimilar from the price of the entire camera! But along with including LUT previews, you also get the added benefit of baking in LUTS.

The OS of the blackmagics is second to none. The touchscreens are like what you would find on a smartphone.  The same cannot be said of Sony's or Fuji's top-end cameras which leave a lot to be desired. Canon and Panasonic get it right, though.

That's some kind of value. Really makes you think about what the profit margins are for companies like SmallHD and the bigger players in the industry.  

I agree the prices are crazy, but there's no contest at all between the Ursa Mini touchscreen and the SmallHD702. I'm assuming their other daylight viewable are the same?

[tyger11]

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

Having reliable AF-C is indispensible for gimbal work.

Of course, it depends on what you're doing. Brandon Li does the best gimbal work I've seen and often doesn't use AF at all.

[jonpais]

1 hour ago, tyger11 said:

Of course, it depends on what you're doing. Brandon Li does the best gimbal work I've seen and often doesn't use AF at all.

True enough.

[Tone1k]

6 hours ago, jonpais said:

I’d like to see someone fly that on a gimbal. Or shoot discretely with it. The Veydras are fast; affordable; optically brilliant; compact; and built completely of metal. They have user changeable mounts for Sony, Fuji and micro four thirds. $8,000 for two lenses is out of reach for most of us.

It's not set up for discreet shooting. It's actually not out of balance either but in either case, I wouldn't use that handle to pick it up anyway. 

[Yurolov]

4 hours ago, graphicnatured said:

I agree the prices are crazy, but there's no contest at all between the Ursa Mini touchscreen and the SmallHD702. I'm assuming their other daylight viewable are the same?

I would imagine so. But how much more are you really getting with the SmallHD product that will change the way you operate (apart from tilting screen, which is not a function of the monitor itself)?

Seems remarkable what they have managed to squeeze in at this price point when you compare the price of accessories. 

[TwoScoops]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818962-REG/Panasonic_H_PS14042S_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

 

This crappy lens would actually be good for incognito shooting without a permit with the Pocket 4K. OIS and wide to telephoto in a pancake. Can be had cheap on ebay. 

[graphicnatured]

46 minutes ago, Yurolov said:

I would imagine so. But how much more are you really getting with the SmallHD product that will change the way you operate (apart from tilting screen, which is not a function of the monitor itself)?

Seems remarkable what they have managed to squeeze in at this price point when you compare the price of accessories. 

I can actually see it outside in the daytime, and that is a HUGE advantage to having it. If you haven't used one, the difference between it and so many other monitors is great. If you have, then you know what I'm talking about. I hate that I paid that much for it, but there isn't a day that goes by that I regret the purchase. Oh, and I agree with regards to how much BM is able to squeeze in.

[Axel]

On (missing) AF, gimbals, speedboosters, hyperfocal distance and lens-choices. With Pocket "I" : the screen wasn't good, but it had the best peaking (Kryptonite-green). With shallow depth of field, no problem. sDoF, of course, was only possible with rather fast lenses, because crop factor was almost three. 

With a slow lens and with he said hyperfocal distance, almost the whole display became green. You wished you could reverse the peaking so that oof-areas were highlighted. Because of the size of the sensor (S16) but nonetheless relatively big pixels, it was sometimes hard to focus. 

Unfortunately, this hasn't changed. Yes, the sensor is bigger, the crop factor is just below two, but the pixels are smaller. And since hyperfocal distance works where the circle of confusion (that's us, the BMPCC fan group!) is smaller than the dimensions of the smallest picture elements, you only get HFD with very wide lenses with very narrow apertures.

HFD means absolute depth of field, fix-focus. I certainly like the idea, but not everybody will. For tripod and handheld shots (we definitely, absolutely need at least a basic rig-stabilization, never believe because it's comfortable to hold it will be okay!) we need to practice manual focussing (P4k display, if sufficient, if not with external monitor).

On a bright sunny day like today I'd strictly use HFD on a gimbal. Otherwise we'd need something like the Crane 2's follow focus and learn to operate that. This was something I dreamed about ever since I learned about steadicams. Have a big box of RC servos and miniature rig parts from my DIY efforts (originals were ridiculously expensive). 

Then again, with the existence of gimbals we stumbled into a trap. Do I really need to constantly move the camera in the Z-axis? No, I even don't consider these shots particularly cinematic any more. Whatever that means. It's time to revisit old threads on filmlook and adjust our understanding of it in 2018.

[Garug]

9 hours ago, jonpais said:

I’d like to see someone fly that on a gimbal. Or shoot discretely with it. The Veydras are fast; affordable; optically brilliant; compact; and built completely of metal. They have user changeable mounts for Sony, Fuji and micro four thirds. $8,000 for two lenses is out of reach for most of us.

To fly maybe not, that would be a really big drone  but to install on gimbal, no problem, here is BMMSC with a 3kg + lens on a gimbal. 

 

 

 

[jonpais]

sure, anything's possible.

[Anaconda_]

21 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Any mirrors for?

 

Here you go:

https://mega.nz/#!bUN3xYxC

Decription key:

!xP-H9jsdGGmWmnl6i2vw55uo6qwts34E1CcHER3bMV8

Hopefully this one lasts a little longer.

[RWR]

Egg-cellent photo, Jon....

[tyger11]

6 hours ago, jonpais said:

sure, anything's possible.

Looks very safe, with all those crumple zones.

[RWR]

Those are empty egg shells..just trying to win some road respect.

[tyger11]

33 minutes ago, RWR said:

Those are empty egg shells..just trying to win some road respect.

Maybe he's taking them to be refilled. It's the ecological choice.

[wolf33d]

16 hours ago, tyger11 said:

Of course, it depends on what you're doing. Brandon Li does the best gimbal work I've seen and often doesn't use AF at all.

Not true. He uses most of the time AF, especially when on gimbal.

the case of Brandon is more a proof that AF is amazing for video, than the contrary.

[Emanuel]

12 hours ago, TwoScoops said:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818962-REG/Panasonic_H_PS14042S_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

 

This crappy lens would actually be good for incognito shooting without a permit with the Pocket 4K. OIS and wide to telephoto in a pancake. Can be had cheap on ebay. 

To be inexpensive doesn't mean it is crappy... you know?

[TwoScoops]

I had a it for a while when I had a GH4. It's definitely crappy. 

[jonpais]

@TwoScoops Isn't that the lens ePhotozine rated higher than both the Leica Nocticron and the Olympus 75mm f/1.8?