Savannah Miller Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Also did you watch some of those CookeTV videos with Geoff Boyle? About 6 months ago they posted a video where Geoff talks about using a certain companies camera that lacks an OLPF and testing it for a few months. He doesn't mention said company by name but we all know who it is. He says if he shoots certain patterns he can produce moire, just like with the herrinbone suit that was seen during the HBO camera test. BUT after all of that he says it doesn't matter when you actually get the camera and shoot REAL jobs. Sure you can take a Blackmagic camera, underexpose it 2 stops and find more FPN than a certain competitors camera, and yes, you can maybe find moire if you shoot certain patterns, but in the small chance that it does happen, i can easily be fixed by moving the camera a little bit. The magenta issue was one of the only problems that was very "real" and I would define as a serious issue, but they fixed that almost completely with firmware updates. IronFilm and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Well mr, quit paying attention to mine (and someone else in this thread) obstruction of any chance to keep your memories alive at any single occasion with and without theme. Jump it and keep conversation of everything you wish inside of extremely free thread. You see: mr JB keep going with his need in this thread common to all of us, you with your - and I'll be with mine. And I'll be happy anytime when I hear/learn anything new about topic of concern. Telling to someone that is crying when commenting/discussing is btw simply part of idea of charm and importance of some sort of men. 33 minutes ago, Savannah Miller said: The magenta issue was one of the only problems that was very "real" and I would define as a serious issue, but they fixed that almost completely with firmware updates. BM never fixed promised global shutter for BMMCC as a crucial advantage for many preordering users and one of the two of their own crucial marketing point... Magenta issue is fixed when new cameras without it came into the market... And for TG sake... again... we all love and use/used BM camera, but that uncritical ode without permission to ask anything that is not for glory of BM is absurd of too obvious efforts of any sort of engaged persons. Remember, I am my majesty customer and at the end and at the long rate honest and founded questions and critics always do the best for the asked subjects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savannah Miller Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Ok they did announce global shutter on both 4.6K and Micro cameras and I don't now the logistics of why they never added those. I don't think it's easy to do as Kinefinity cancelled their Terra 5K model as well that had switchable rolling and global shutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Ok, so one more excuse for bombastic announce before they actually mastered it completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, Savannah Miller said: Ok they did announce global shutter on both 4.6K and Micro cameras and I don't now the logistics of why they never added those. I don't think it's easy to do as Kinefinity cancelled their Terra 5K model as well that had switchable rolling and global shutter. It takes more prepossessing power than both camera manufacturers can muster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Why on earth make up a fake story about the date of another camera’s announcement? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savannah Miller Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I wonder how far off they were from making that feature work? I wonder what the real issues were? Maybe the images looked bad and had enough artifacting during the GS mode that they didn't feel like enabling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: It takes more prepossessing power than both camera manufacturers can muster. Prepossessing power? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I wonder why I should wonder about something that is promised and announced and allured me to buy... How would you called it and react to that in personal life? ... Simply, BM is so and so... actually, as I wrote earlier, this is some sort of prolonged puberty behavior that someone may sympathize - but not at all has to. We are customers and potential buyers, and we have all rights to be respected as we respect companies buying their products... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savannah Miller Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I've never seen an example of a switchable global and rolling shutter so maybe the images in that mode were just not worth enabling? It's possible the global shutter mode had too many artifacts that they felt it was not worth adding to the cameras. I wonder if the global shutter sensor element affects the noise performance of the 4.6K sensor at all? I'm just wondering if there were any downsides to adding a feature to a sensor that never got enabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Why should I have to bother with it asking such question and losing time - when they alone told me that it is so much worth, that was proud matter of their (be it who wish to be between companies) wizardry difference? ... And again and again, as if it is the must to slipped from the point... Which is not if GS is possible or matter of prepossessed power - but that we were being convinced that it is, to the great degree (deserving important distinctive announce). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, jonpais said: Prepossessing power? ? I would change my spelling mistake but then your comment would be well, confusing LoL. And seeing, as far as I know, that the cheapest camera Sony makes now that has a Global Shutter is the Sony F55. So it ain't easy to do on the cheap as they say on every camera. jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I rather like the phrase myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just marketing. For some reason this thread has 136 pages. Not only because of downvoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 The GH5 was announced that it was in development at Photokina ‘16 and then officially announced in early January of ‘17. Anyway the point is that this thread is full of people that act like no problems ever existed with BM cameras and people that act as though BM has the worst track record ever... both are a disservice... one looks like shilling troll and the other looks like they should just not buy one and be happy about it. Concerns or respect for BM is fine, but hate and extravagant praise is just silly. 16 minutes ago, Emanuel said: Just marketing. For some reason this thread has 136 pages. Not only because of downvoting. This thread is 136 pages because this camera is a near historic announcement for the indie filmmaker. The problem is that too many people want this camera to be something it won’t and others want it to fail. And then the best part of the thread had a pro cinematographer openly and happily providing insight on how he uses BM cameras in his productions. But of course a bunch of eoshd pros have to argue with him about mundane things and chase him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yes, some people here and some people there, something is fine, something is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Justified criticism and/or skepticism is not hatred. I don’t believe a single person in this thread feels hatred toward BMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 5 hours ago, anonim said: No, companies are not ALL the same - and BM in camera market is far away of desired behavior. I reckon BMD's approach of offering the user a LOT for very little $$, is indeed a desirable behavior. 2 hours ago, anonim said: BM never fixed promised global shutter for BMMCC as a crucial advantage for many preordering users Any one who pays 100% with the pre order is foolishly taking on the risk. So now we've got that out of the way, BMD never promised the Micro would get a Global Shutter once they'd already started shipping the Micro. This seems like a very unreasonable point to bring up against BMD. tupp and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, jonpais said: Justified criticism and/or skepticism is not hatred. I don’t believe a single person in this thread feels hatred toward BMD. Well I was being a little hyperbolic but anonim went from one side of the spectrum stating that Grant Petty is an honorable man that wouldn’t risk his reputation to saying BM has too much of a bad track record to be trusted... But yeah, nothing is wrong with criticism or skepticism... I am skeptical of this camera. Actually I have two fears that are completely opposite scenarios... on one hand I am afraid that this camera’s use of this sensor is giving a lot of people false expectations that cannot be lived up to. But on the other hand, I really hope this isn’t a generic, vanilla camera that lacks the edgy, indie film look that was so beautiful in the first Pocket... I guess we’ll know soon enough. Emanuel and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Savannah Miller said: Ok they did announce global shutter on both 4.6K and Micro cameras and I don't now the logistics of why they never added those. I don't think it's easy to do as Kinefinity cancelled their Terra 5K model as well that had switchable rolling and global shutter. No one on earth has a switchable rolling/global shutter camera in mass production. And I think the only popular current cinema camera with a global shutter is the Sony PMW-F55 2 hours ago, Savannah Miller said: I wonder how far off they were from making that feature work? I wonder what the real issues were? Maybe the images looked bad and had enough artifacting during the GS mode that they didn't feel like enabling it. Or the reverse might be true, if they had global shutter option then it impaired the rolling shutter mode so badly there was no point in having it. And most of us would rather have a rolling shutter camera without global shutter mode than having a global shutter camera poor in low light and with less dynamic range (which seems to be the common trade off). Of course if you can have a rolling shutter mode which works 100% fine and then the bonus of sometimes switching to global shutter for a few shots (even with an ISO / DR hit) then we'd all like that! 1 hour ago, mercer said: This thread is 136 pages because this camera is a near historic announcement for the indie filmmaker. The problem is that too many people want this camera to be something it won’t and others want it to fail. It boggles the mind why people would want it to fail, and yet they exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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