Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 17, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, sanveer said: Wow. Does it apply to SD Cards too? How fast does it take and how many times can the data be dumped (battery life)? USB interface so can take a regular CF/SD/MicroSD reader as well. CFast and SSD is USB3 interface so it will be fast enough to dump the card before you fill the next one. Power will be USB so capacity is variable. I already have this done for SD backups but it will need porting to different hardware to support the extra grunt needed for fast transfer of CFast sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 17, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Tone1k said: Would the 'device' have any way of checking the footage once transferred to the SSD? If not, it's a no from me. If you mean visually checking as in viewing it on the device itself rather than a data integrity check against the source media then no. The scope of it is basically as a (much) cheaper alternative to something like the WD Wireless Pro without the fixed capacity and with a fast enough interface to copy the CFast cards as the WD device only supports USB2 for non SD card sources. It can support wireless access as a drive (I have a use for it in this way with non-RAW video files to use it with LumaFusion editor on the iPad n the field) so it could be used as a source for your RAW viewer of choice on a laptop but if you've got a laptop with you to do that then you don't need this anyway and might as well use the laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tone1k Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: If you mean visually checking as in viewing it on the device itself rather than a data integrity check against the source media then no. The scope of it is basically as a (much) cheaper alternative to something like the WD Wireless Pro without the fixed capacity and with a fast enough interface to copy the CFast cards as the WD device only supports USB2 for non SD card sources. It can support wireless access as a drive (I have a use for it in this way with non-RAW video files to use it with LumaFusion editor on the iPad n the field) so it could be used as a source for your RAW viewer of choice on a laptop but if you've got a laptop with you to do that then you don't need this anyway and might as well use the laptop. Yeah, call me OCD or old fashioned but I still like visually spot checking my offloads before formatting a card for re use. Not sure how possible it would be to implement but if the device could produce an offload report pdf with visual clip thumbnail strips like Shotput pro does then this could maybe be viewed on a connected ipad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 12 hours ago, andrgl said: Can you add a blacklist for forum links? You should seriously consider blocking URLs for sites like wolfcrow and 43rumors, et al. I'm not a big fan of the wolfcrow website, but still I'd never recommend banning it. And 43rumors is worthwhile as they're often enough the original source for published rumors, and over here we of course talk a lot about new MFT cameras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Hey I am not a big fan of them either. But this is 2018. Everyone is trying to make a buck on the old Inner Web. Unless a person is willing to do all that research and type all that shit out you are going to have Links like it or not, or not have shit for information. Even people on here have links to their channels or websites. You want to ban that also? Shit where do you stop? Info is info and somehow you are going to pay for it. Either you, or me, or someone else is going to have to work their ass off to find and present it. I am lazy, so I will have to look at links, Oh by the way I Don't have to click on them, or sit here with my thumb up my ass waiting for incredible info to be typed on all that is new. kye and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: It's not going to be a Pocket camera once it's rigged up with a battery. I do wish Blackmagic could work on their power economy issues. However such great codecs and raw have a cost. I'd rather have 40 minutes of battery and some spares, rather than no option at all for ProRes and raw on a new, exciting camera to compete with the establishment. Totally agree. The current (small) batteries give flexibility to those who want a smaller setup - carrying batteries in a pocket or bag is much nicer than the weight being on the camera if you're carrying the camera around. If you want the extra battery capacity and don't care about size then external power options are available. For all of the talk of it not being a 'pocket camera', which essentially comes down to how large your pockets are(!) no-one would argue that size differences don't matter, otherwise we'd all be making travel films with old-second-hand cinema cameras!! 5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: Is anyone interested in a small device to do in field backups of CFast cards to SSDs so you can have a couple of cheap 64gig cards (such as the Integral branded £46 ones) and cycle between them? So you'd shoot on one, pop it into the device which will automatically back it up while you shoot on the other one and then repeat and then just pull the SSD out to start editing with when you get back to base. Yes. I looked for such a thing and found the WD ones that backup SD cards, as well as some with USB ports, but I could never get a straight answer if a CFast card reader would work so never bought one. Plus it annoyed me that I had to buy it integrated to a HDD - modular is better. Even if you have a laptop, if you're out in the dust then you'd probably leave the laptop in the hotel safe and take this kind of device out into the field for user throughout the day. I've looked for this in the context of my family and travel videos, but my dad (who used to be in IT and is now retired) also asked me about such a device for downloading the footage from the SD card in his dashcam for his 4WD trips, so I think there's a market both inside and out of the film industry. 4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: USB interface so can take a regular CF/SD/MicroSD reader as well. CFast and SSD is USB3 interface so it will be fast enough to dump the card before you fill the next one. Power will be USB so capacity is variable. I already have this done for SD backups but it will need porting to different hardware to support the extra grunt needed for fast transfer of CFast This sounds excellent - having something with flexible connections would be great. If you can make it so it connects almost any type of storage to any type of HDD and can be powered by anything (USB is my preference, but I would also imagine that Sony MPF(?) batteries or the DC power sockets from those huge external batteries might also be useful for some) then that would really hit the nail on the head. Make it work in rain, dust, the heat / cold, and other tough conditions, and have a screen/LEDs that are easily visible in bright light and you'd have a winner. "It's the device that copies your data from the cards you have to the storage you have with the power you have in the conditions you're in" would be all the sales pitch I'd need to buy one. 4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: If you mean visually checking as in viewing it on the device itself rather than a data integrity check against the source media then no. The scope of it is basically as a (much) cheaper alternative to something like the WD Wireless Pro without the fixed capacity and with a fast enough interface to copy the CFast cards as the WD device only supports USB2 for non SD card sources. It can support wireless access as a drive (I have a use for it in this way with non-RAW video files to use it with LumaFusion editor on the iPad n the field) so it could be used as a source for your RAW viewer of choice on a laptop but if you've got a laptop with you to do that then you don't need this anyway and might as well use the laptop. Usually an option for verifying the data after the copy should suffice (from a technical standpoint at least). It would take more battery life for sure, but would be a level of protection good enough for most. I'm assuming that if you're making sure that you're detecting read errors, write errors, and verifying the data then it would be trustworthy. This would be a pretty good user experience for me: You connect it to power and the POWER led lights up You connect a card and the CARD light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You connect a drive and the DRIVE light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You press the copy button and the COPYING light turns on and starts blinking (Maybe the COPYING light turns a different colour if it detects an error?? eg, orange blinking) It finishes the copy and unmounts the drives and then the COPY COMPLETE light goes green for "no errors" or "copy verified ok", or amber for "errors detected but copy completed", or red for "copy failed" If it had this level of communication I'd be fine with it. You'd probably need to build in some kind of recovery mode if a copy is interrupted and you reset it and try again. This is absolutely a device I would buy if it does what you have described and doesn't have any silly design flaws. 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mercer Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, kye said: This is absolutely a device I would buy if it does what you have described and doesn't have any silly design flaws. Yeah @BTM_Pix listen to Kye and don’t eff this up. hansel, BTM_Pix and kye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, mercer said: Yeah @BTM_Pix listen to Kye and don’t eff this up. LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, webrunner5 said: Hey I am not a big fan of them either. But this is 2018. Everyone is trying to make a buck on the old Inner Web. Unless a person is willing to do all that research and type all that shit out you are going to have Links like it or not, or not have shit for information. Even people on here have links to their channels or websites. You want to ban that also? Shit where do you stop? Info is info and somehow you are going to pay for it. Either you, or me, or someone else is going to have to work their ass off to find and present it. I am lazy, so I will have to look at links, Oh by the way I Don't have to click on them, or sit here with my thumb up my ass waiting for incredible info to be typed on all that is new. you linked to a website that shows up as the first result on google linking garbage helps their seo, which incentives these types of websites to pump out more BEST X 2018 GUIDES can you explain to me what authority this guy has to recommend the olympus 400mm? otherwise, that website is just a bunch of copy and pasted specs.... why not just link to a B&H search result? provides even more valuable (((info))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, andrgl said: you linked to a website that shows up as the first result on google linking garbage helps their seo, which incentives these types of websites to pump out more BEST X 2018 GUIDES can you explain to me what authority this guy has to recommend the olympus 400mm? otherwise, that website is just a bunch of copy and pasted specs.... why not just link to a B&H search result? provides eve more valuable (((info))) Hell I just talked about using a Olympus EM1 mk II using a Panny 100-400mm for Sports, Birding over carrying a 800mm Canon lens on a 1DX. I would recommend it myself for the PK4. I do birding. What, people are only going to do Porn with one, and only need a super wide angle lens to do it with? Hmm do it, sounds dirty. ? Hell I can Only afford one system. I will use a 1200mm on the damn thing if I can carry the thing at my advanced age. And some peoples Garbage is Treasure to others. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 hours ago, kye said: Totally agree. The current (small) batteries give flexibility to those who want a smaller setup - carrying batteries in a pocket or bag is much nicer than the weight being on the camera if you're carrying the camera around. If you want the extra battery capacity and don't care about size then external power options are available. For all of the talk of it not being a 'pocket camera', which essentially comes down to how large your pockets are(!) no-one would argue that size differences don't matter, otherwise we'd all be making travel films with old-second-hand cinema cameras!! Yes. I looked for such a thing and found the WD ones that backup SD cards, as well as some with USB ports, but I could never get a straight answer if a CFast card reader would work so never bought one. Plus it annoyed me that I had to buy it integrated to a HDD - modular is better. Even if you have a laptop, if you're out in the dust then you'd probably leave the laptop in the hotel safe and take this kind of device out into the field for user throughout the day. I've looked for this in the context of my family and travel videos, but my dad (who used to be in IT and is now retired) also asked me about such a device for downloading the footage from the SD card in his dashcam for his 4WD trips, so I think there's a market both inside and out of the film industry. This sounds excellent - having something with flexible connections would be great. If you can make it so it connects almost any type of storage to any type of HDD and can be powered by anything (USB is my preference, but I would also imagine that Sony MPF(?) batteries or the DC power sockets from those huge external batteries might also be useful for some) then that would really hit the nail on the head. Make it work in rain, dust, the heat / cold, and other tough conditions, and have a screen/LEDs that are easily visible in bright light and you'd have a winner. "It's the device that copies your data from the cards you have to the storage you have with the power you have in the conditions you're in" would be all the sales pitch I'd need to buy one. Usually an option for verifying the data after the copy should suffice (from a technical standpoint at least). It would take more battery life for sure, but would be a level of protection good enough for most. I'm assuming that if you're making sure that you're detecting read errors, write errors, and verifying the data then it would be trustworthy. This would be a pretty good user experience for me: You connect it to power and the POWER led lights up You connect a card and the CARD light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You connect a drive and the DRIVE light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You press the copy button and the COPYING light turns on and starts blinking (Maybe the COPYING light turns a different colour if it detects an error?? eg, orange blinking) It finishes the copy and unmounts the drives and then the COPY COMPLETE light goes green for "no errors" or "copy verified ok", or amber for "errors detected but copy completed", or red for "copy failed" If it had this level of communication I'd be fine with it. You'd probably need to build in some kind of recovery mode if a copy is interrupted and you reset it and try again. This is absolutely a device I would buy if it does what you have described and doesn't have any silly design flaws. @BTM_Pix just give him a kidney ??? BTM_Pix and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 18, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, kye said: This would be a pretty good user experience for me: You connect it to power and the POWER led lights up You connect a card and the CARD light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You connect a drive and the DRIVE light turns on green (or red if there's an error) You press the copy button and the COPYING light turns on and starts blinking (Maybe the COPYING light turns a different colour if it detects an error?? eg, orange blinking) It finishes the copy and unmounts the drives and then the COPY COMPLETE light goes green for "no errors" or "copy verified ok", or amber for "errors detected but copy completed", or red for "copy failed" Or, we could dispense with the disco lights and just look at it's on board screen 5 hours ago, kye said: This is absolutely a device I would buy if it does what you have described and doesn't have any silly design flaws. It will have a guaranteed minimum of two silly design flaws unfortunately. It's how I roll. 8 hours ago, Tone1k said: Yeah, call me OCD or old fashioned but I still like visually spot checking my offloads before formatting a card for re use. Not sure how possible it would be to implement but if the device could produce an offload report pdf with visual clip thumbnail strips like Shotput pro does then this could maybe be viewed on a connected ipad? No, I don't think you're either of those for wanting that capability. Just trying to consider a way to keep that option in the scope of something compact and cheap. I have a couple of ideas that could keep it sensible that I'll look at. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 With September just two weeks away, I would have thought they'd know by now if they need to delay. We're still waiting on footage, but I think keeping the exact date a mystery ensures people will continue to look and search, maintaining the interested and excitement the camera has built up since April. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about receiving this camera within the next 6 weeks. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 No footage yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Yeah, I think it’s safe to assume that this camera will not be shipping on Sept 3rd but it’s also safe to say that whenever it does ship, it will be an amazing cinema camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 157 pages 3k post of what?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbCinC_12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 They're going to show their camera at an expo in Austin TX on August 23 (as per their tweet via BM Support). Just thought I put that out. mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Rinad Amir said: 157 pages 3k post of what?? Of EXCITEMENT!!!11ONE Ivko Pivko, webrunner5 and kye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Foreplay. It's almost the best part. You know, bit of teasing here and there, but nothing's coming out yet. Rinad Amir, kye and Ivko Pivko 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 From Blackmagic website, data is in MB/s. Philippe Maurice on Facebook supplied it in this format I guess. jbCinC_12 and jbsloan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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