andrgl Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, cantsin said: If you look at the design of the housing, it's pretty clear that the bulge in the middle isn't just a mount, but contains the whole sensor. So my bet is still on Ricoh GXR-style swappable sensor+mount modules where the 4k option will be the 12 stops/400 ISO 1" sensor from the Micro Studio & URSA Broadcast, and the 14 stops option will be the 1080p sensor from the old pocket/Micro Cinema. Disagree. They wouldn't use the Pocket brand on swappable mount cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I guess we'll find out very shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I hope it doesn't mean I have to have a rig like this one to use it!!! There is a Sony A7s mk II in there someplace believe it or not. http://www.icgmagazine.com/web/next-level-filmmaking/ salim, Mark Romero 2, Juxx989 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, jonpais said: I guess we'll find out very shortly. Yeah exactly. Still it's hard not get excited and think about all the different stuff we'll learn: frame rates dynamic range ProRes RAW support recording media sensor size lens mount battery type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted April 7, 2018 Super Members Share Posted April 7, 2018 Great discussion going on about these images over at BMCUser They're analysing them like its the Zapruder film ! andrgl, TwoScoops and webrunner5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago de la Rosa Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 PLEASE S16, 13 stops, MFT, 4k Raw+Prores, better screen and battery. Ah and same price that original pocket at launch. I hope MFT Speedbooster will work on the Pocket 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froess Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, cantsin said: If you look at the design of the housing, it's pretty clear that the bulge in the middle isn't just a mount, but contains the whole sensor. So my bet is still on Ricoh GXR-style swappable sensor+mount modules where the 4k option will be the 12 stops/400 ISO 1" sensor from the Micro Studio & URSA Broadcast, and the 14 stops option will be the 1080p sensor from the old pocket/Micro Cinema 1 It's just speculation on your part. It's not that it's a bad thing having swappable mounts, but I just don't see that happening on the pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Are swappable mounts a bad thing? that's the feeling I'm getting reading these comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 That would be extremely complex to pull off. That original sensor is so far behind in low light ability in this day and age, why the hell even bother today. That has always been BM's knock on their cameras. Why continue the trend. I sure hope they progress, not stay the same. I am not paying big money for a camera with a top usable ISO of 800 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, froess said: It's just speculation on your part. It's not that it's a bad thing having swappable mounts, but I just don't see that happening on the pocket. Look at the picture - the middle bulge is so far recessed into the camera housing that the sensor needs to sit inside there. There's simply no other space for it. The only speculative question is whether that middle bulge is a swappable unit or not. And, again, a swappable design like the Ricoh GXR (which is about as compact as the BM Pocket) makes sense if BM doesn't have a sensor yet that can deliver both 4K and high dynamic range. The swapping could only be about the sensor, not the mount - all those sensor modules may have MFT mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froess Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, cantsin said: The only speculative question is whether that middle bulge is a swappable unit or not. Yes, I agree. That was what I meant by speculation on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, froess said: Yes, I agree. That was what I meant by speculation on your part. Yes, but based on the fact that the middle bulge is not a solid part of a one-piece camera housing, but looks like it sits in a bay. The two big switches right and left from it could be for locking and unlocking the sensor modules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted April 7, 2018 Super Members Share Posted April 7, 2018 Put the picture in Photoshop and raise the shadows. You can see something written on the bulge. Juxx989 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Then maybe it is just, which would be a big deal, moveable EVF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: Put the picture in Photoshop and raise the shadows. You can see something written on the bulge. You can see it even without Photoshop (on a calibrated monitor) - it says "Blackmagic Design", putting the manufacturer logo above the lens as with so many other cameras. 6 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Then maybe it is just, which would be a big deal, moveable EVF. No, because then all operation buttons would be on the wrong side, and you don't put an accessory screw mount on a lightweight, moveable part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, cantsin said: You can see it even without Photoshop (on a calibrated monitor) - it says "Blackmagic Design", putting the manufacturer logo above the lens as with so many other cameras. No, because then all operation buttons would be on the wrong side, and you don't put an accessory screw mount on a lightweight, moveable part. They are not going to have changeable modules on it get real. The GR was a flop sales wise. Goofy, complex idea. Maybe it is a folding lens? Who the hell knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Scheja Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Santiago de la Rosa, graphicnatured and Juxx989 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago de la Rosa Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 That last photo looks an MFT! Is S16? How to Know it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Well there is your answer. What ever it is LoL. Santiago de la Rosa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: They are not going to have changeable modules on it get real. The GR was a flop sales wise. Goofy, complex idea. I just think that this is very real and possibly marketing-driven: BM can no longer sell a 1080p camera, despite all its goodness and a better image than practically any other prosumer camera in the market, because buyers are obsessed with 4K. A renewed Pocket camera with only 1080p wouldn't have been marketable. The only pocketable 4K sensor that BM had so far is the 1", 4K, 4OO ISO, 12-stops sensor of the Micro Studio/URSA Broadcast. If it had a newer sensor, it could have been built into the URSA Broadcast that was just released two months ago. Very possibly, the situation hasn't changed from what BM stated in 2017, and no 14-stops 4K sensor that fits a small housing is available for them (yet). So a clunky solution with swappable sensor units, 1080p/14stops and 4K/12 stops, allows to sell this camera both as a Pocket Cinema camera, but with the 4K label. As said earlier, I hope that Monday will prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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