helium Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, zerocool22 said: yeah for some reason the gemini is creamier and has some kind of pop like the alexa. Might be the other 24k $ that is giving that. BM should figure out what it is and implement it into their next camera, or better yet give it through a firmware update on the ursa mini pro. Even ignoring the obvious difference in DOF, the grading of the two clips isn't matched. Without access to the original files, the comparison is meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, zerocool22 said: or better yet give it through a firmware update (like) on the ursa mini pro. That's what I am hoping as well, that the sensor specific partial de-mosaic filtering tuning will make the Pocket 4k more like the USRA Minii Pro after it got the BRAW update. With Pocket 4k it would be nice if they would do 2 tunings, one for each native ISO. I am already really liking the look of the Pocket 4k at high ISOs in low light, but at lower ISOs with lighting or daylight, I am hoping it can be further refined, like the USRA Mini Pro was after the BRAW update. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, helium said: Even ignoring the obvious difference in DOF, the grading of the two clips isn't matched. Without access to the original files, the comparison is meaningless. The difference in depth of field shouldn't even be that much difference. The gemini crop factor is 1.17. BMPCC4k crop factor with the 0.71 speed booster is essentially 1.33. So in the comparison the equivalent focal length for the BMPCC4k with the 70mm is 93mm, and the gemini with the 50mm is 58.5. And yet they have the same framing which shows that the 50mm must be closer to the subject therefore focused more closely than the 70mm which is throwing the background out more. And really the difference in background blur is the only thing that stands out to me as a difference. Being honest I actually prefer the overall look of the original pocket in these tests, but that will easily be achievable in post with the 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, majoraxis said: That's what I am hoping as well, that the sensor specific partial de-mosaic filtering tuning will make the Pocket 4k more like the USRA Minii Pro after it got the BRAW update. With Pocket 4k it would be nice if they would do 2 tunings, one for each native ISO. I am already really liking the look of the Pocket 4k at high ISOs in low light, but at lower ISOs with lighting or daylight, I am hoping it can be further refined, like the USRA Mini Pro was after the BRAW update. Here's a good comparison between BRAW (with its new debayering filter which almost acts like an optical lowpass filter) and CDNG (using a more oldschool approach) https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Blackmagic-RAW---Qualitaet-im-Vergleich-zu-CinemaDNG----IBC-2018--Debayering---Rauschen.html#Debay Once this update hits the Pocket 4K we should have some really smooth footage out of this camera. Talked to some other DOPs over the past few days about their impressions over BRAW. In conclusion they're not looking back at all. The URSA feels like a new camera and way closer to ARRI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Jn- said: Wolfcrow compares Gh5, ISO's ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZ4rMUbMAM Wow the pocket really blows the gh5 away. bobo3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 22, 2018 Administrators Share Posted September 22, 2018 It's hard to tell anything from YouTube, so compressed. A candle is not a good low light test either because you are either at full saturation of the pixel (bright flame), or barely nothing (black background). NEXT! deezid and Francisco Rios 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: It's hard to tell anything from YouTube, so compressed. A candle is not a good low light test either because you are either at full saturation of the pixel (bright flame), or barely nothing (black background). NEXT! Totally agree. I just sigh and shake my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 hours ago, zerocool22 said: Wow the pocket really blows the gh5 away. As does the GH5s ... which would have been a better camera to compare ... as they perhaps share the same sensor. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 23, 2018 Administrators Share Posted September 23, 2018 *the same sensor* Yep!! Nobody has done the most obvious comparison yet!! Francisco Rios 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: *the same sensor* Yep!! Nobody has done the most obvious comparison yet!! I thought the Gemini was the first to come to mind. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: *the same sensor* Yep!! Nobody has done the most obvious comparison yet!! Terra 4k was also rumoured the same. Would love to see that comparison, as codec wise they are much closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas A Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Do we have any knowledge yet on whether the DJI Ronin S will allow us to manually focus Panasonic lenses on the BMPCC4K, as it does with the GH5? Kind of a big deal for me with this camera as I'm intending to do a lot of gimbal work with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Where do you guys watch uncompressed videos online? zerocool22 and MattH 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, Lucas A said: Do we have any knowledge yet on whether the DJI Ronin S will allow us to manually focus Panasonic lenses on the BMPCC4K, as it does with the GH5? Kind of a big deal for me with this camera as I'm intending to do a lot of gimbal work with it. It's expected to come in an update to the Ronin. I'm going wait for that update before buying the ronin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Rios Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: *the same sensor* Yep!! Nobody has done the most obvious comparison yet!! I really wish you get one pocket4k to do your own test to share with eoshd... keep going! Best! IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Urquhart Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just got an email from my retailer saying that my Pocket4k has arrived and is ready to be picked up! I guess they made the September delivery! Will grab it tomorrow. SR, kye, IronFilm and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 13 hours ago, AaronChicago said: Where do you guys watch uncompressed videos online? There's a pinned topic in the Shooting subforum here on EOSHD for sharing videos straight out of camera. You can often find files with some digging. Sometimes you can download the original file from Vimeo, sometimes people have links in the YouTube description. There are a lot of files for popular cameras (A7s2, GH5, etc) out there on forums. It would be nice if there was a more centralized place for such files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, A_Urquhart said: Just got an email from my retailer saying that my Pocket4k has arrived and is ready to be picked up! I guess they made the September delivery! Will grab it tomorrow. I really hope my suppliers do the same. On Thursday I'm off to work in another country for a month, so if I doesn't arrive by then, I'm in for an even longer wait haha. What country are you in? It's way too early for anyone here to be sending emails about a received shipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, A_Urquhart said: Just got an email from my retailer saying that my Pocket4k has arrived and is ready to be picked up! I guess they made the September delivery! Will grab it tomorrow. I had to change my underpants. Which retailer did you order from? hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Urquhart Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, SR said: I had to change my underpants. Which retailer did you order from? lemac.com.au They are in Australia. SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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