majoraxis Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 My understanding is that ProRes on the black magic pocket 4K has the sensor debayering of B-RAW already, so if you nail exposure and white balance in the camera Pro Res is great and probably very similar to what you will get with B-RAW if little color grading is required. For those who would like to work with 12 bit files, all be it compressed, would benefit from B-RAW. Once B-RAW is available, if the files sizes are similar to ProRes, then I think most will think they “need” B- RAW when available, but we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 nice short, could have been shorter. he says no grip, pretty good handling of the camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 .braw will be invaluable because it gives RAW flexibility at prores file sizes. It also seems to create more organic detail than RAW, perhaps close to prores? I "want" it. 12 hours ago, AlexTrinder96 said: By DAVE HILL Same guy shot this one. I'd seen this and really enjoyed it. I think the newer one has a more Kodak grade which I love. They're both great. I'm also a massive fan of the Southwest and desert. I'd shoot every single frame there if I had my way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 hours ago, majoraxis said: My understanding is that ProRes on the black magic pocket 4K has the sensor debayering of B-RAW already, so if you nail exposure and white balance in the camera Pro Res is great and probably very similar to what you will get with B-RAW if little color grading is required. For those who would like to work with 12 bit files, all be it compressed, would benefit from B-RAW. Once B-RAW is available, if the files sizes are similar to ProRes, then I think most will think they “need” B- RAW when available, but we shall see. Philip Bloom released a prores file he shot and I played with it, and you could really push that file around. Am I right in thinking that was 10-bit? If so, 12-bit would be absolutely spectacular! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Changing ISO on the P4K in ProRes just ramps up the log curve in the middle so midtones and shadows get boosted and the highlights get compressed. If you want lots of light tones in a high key scene and not much shadow detail drop the ISO right down and if you want lots of shadow detail and compressed highlights in a low key scene ramp the ISO up (withing the 2 ranges) Even with 10bit I wouldn't want to try to do the reverse in post for optimal results. BM say the 400/3200 are 'native' which means they are a good compromise for most scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: .braw will be invaluable because it gives RAW flexibility at prores file sizes. It also seems to create more organic detail than RAW, perhaps close to prores? I "want" it. Same guy shot this one. I'd seen this and really enjoyed it. I think the newer one has a more Kodak grade which I love. They're both great. I'm also a massive fan of the Southwest and desert. I'd shoot every single frame there if I had my way. Very nice! Makes me want to rewatch Breaking Bad haha! Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 3:35 PM, kye said: Now THAT is how to shoot a camera test!! Bravo! yes that is so poignant and true, not to mention hilarious on so many levels ( one can only hope that someone from bm sees this and perhaps gets galvanized into action) that's definitely most interesting and inventive take on a camera release, someone should probably post that in the sony fanboys thread, i'm sure they would react with total awe edit : im eagerly waiting for the letter part 3 the unboxing kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdoubleu Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 6:37 PM, AlexTrinder96 said: This film was posted on the P4k FB group earlier. WOW. By DAVE HILL https://vimeo.com/304999893?fbclid=IwAR2eii51lO2jPHV0mQj1JmhplQRhKhp0YYaO_FHc2jEpYXe8KicJKm53PYo I'm so glad this amazing film was done with native lenses. I'm so bored with people perpetuating the lie that a speed booster is required equipment with m43, as opposed to just another tool in the tool box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, billdoubleu said: I'm so glad this amazing film was done with native lenses. I'm so bored with people perpetuating the lie that a speed booster is required equipment with m43, as opposed to just another tool in the tool box. Hang out on these forums more often... People here use native lenses, speed-boosters, non-speed-booster adapters, vintage stills lenses, vintage cinema lenses, and even free-lensing of lenses! I don't remember anyone using non-camera lenses like projector or enlarger lenses, but someone probably has.. Welcome! Personally, my m43 kit has both native and vintage lenses in it. I do own a m42 to m43 0.7x focal reducer which I might use with a ~50mm to fill in the 80-100mm equivalent spot in my kit, but I might end up just using a 35-50mm lens without a focal reducer and therefore not end up using it at all. The crop factor makes it a spectacular choice for longer zooms too, for sports or for wildlife. A 135/150/200mm vintage FF lens will set you back less than dinner and a movie, and combined with a $10 dumb-adapter you get a fast, high quality and solidly built manual telephoto lens, plus because you're cropping into the lens with the sensor size you don't get all the CA and soft-focus of the corners of those lenses so they're even better than when they were new! webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, kye said: Hang out on these forums more often... People here use native lenses, speed-boosters, non-speed-booster adapters, vintage stills lenses, vintage cinema lenses, and even free-lensing of lenses! I don't remember anyone using non-camera lenses like projector or enlarger lenses, but someone probably has.. Welcome! Personally, my m43 kit has both native and vintage lenses in it. I do own a m42 to m43 0.7x focal reducer which I might use with a ~50mm to fill in the 80-100mm equivalent spot in my kit, but I might end up just using a 35-50mm lens without a focal reducer and therefore not end up using it at all. The crop factor makes it a spectacular choice for longer zooms too, for sports or for wildlife. A 135/150/200mm vintage FF lens will set you back less than dinner and a movie, and combined with a $10 dumb-adapter you get a fast, high quality and solidly built manual telephoto lens, plus because you're cropping into the lens with the sensor size you don't get all the CA and soft-focus of the corners of those lenses so they're even better than when they were new! odd that you mention that just now.... i just bought an el nikor 63mm enlarger lens. been waiting for one of these to turn up at a reasonable price for awhile now. i guess my lens addiction is off to a good start this year? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, leslie said: odd that you mention that just now.... i just bought an el nikor 63mm enlarger lens. been waiting for one of these to turn up at a reasonable price for awhile now. i guess my lens addiction is off to a good start this year? Nice! There are some interesting projector lenses around, but the lack of a standard mount or adapters means they're a little too out-there for me, at least at the moment. Plus them having no ability to stop down does limit their use in a creative sense. Still, considering that adapting FF vintage lenses seems pretty mainstream now, they're probably where the real bargains are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Payant Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Selling one right now on Ebay http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575378759&campid=5338273189&customid=&icep_item=183656914203&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229529&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=11111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Does anyone know if Braw will still crop 1080p recordings to 4x? How does it behave on the UMP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 BLACKMAGIC RAW (BRAW) format UMP "Compression ratios are 3:1, 5:1, 8:1, 12:1 and an option for a Variable Data Rate that retains constant quality." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Ok. But it what does that mean about the 4x crop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I have no clue how it would be the same specs with different sensor sizes? So I guess you will have to wait, and probably for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Alright. Not about specs really though. If the UMP crops in 1080 RAW but not 1080 Braw, then chances are P4k will do the same. If UMP does still crop in Braw, then the P4k will also still crop. It’s ok if you don’t know. Neither do I. webrunner5 and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 This doesn't answer your questions but it is a good breakdown of the positives and negatives of Braw. Emanuel, Kisaha and Vintage Jimothy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 As much as I love the IBIS on my GH5, I will say that recording prores internally would be lovely. I'm rendering proxies for a three week trip and 350Gb of footage, it's done about a quarter and has been going for a couple of hours now and it says it has about 7 hours left.. that's an hour more than when I started!! 4K Prores Proxy has broadly similar bitrate to 4K 150Mbps or 5K 200Mbps footage and both are 10-bit! That person who shot that video in Prores Proxy (or was it LT?) had the right idea Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dia3olik Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, kye said: As much as I love the IBIS on my GH5, I will say that recording prores internally would be lovely. Ninja V solves this for you...and it's a great monitor too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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