wyrlyn Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 any news on braw for pocket 4k? Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wake Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Shirozina said: I understand Shirozina explained better please, so that video show fake stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Dan Wake said: Shirozina explained better please, so that video show fake stuff? I can't comment on the video as I don't know how he exposed or processed the images. I can only state I don't see any bad color or light gradients with my P4k as long as I expose it and process it correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I must admit that in the last video - Pocket vs RED - at least in the daylight scene with two lovely dogs, Pocket IMO shows slightly better and more consistent color gradient and whitelight/fallof distribution (although also magenta cast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Dan Wake said: the color/lights gradients are so bad compared to the highest dynamic range camera that even a child would point the finger on that, it's so evident. imho as consumers we can ask to the market to upgrade, evolve faster, to a higher dynamic range sensors on prosumer devices, it's too bad really that only very expansive cameras can solve it. I hope (cross fingers) next poket cinema camera will solve it #blackmagicdropthebombplease I went back and watched the RED vs P4K and noticed an equal amount of banding between the two of them on gradients. I suspect that it's probably coming from YouTube as my 10-bit GH5 footage doesn't have that problem. I was watching 4K on my 32 inch display. Perhaps you could post the video and tell us the timestamp of where you're seeing these terrible gradients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, kye said: I went back and watched the RED vs P4K and noticed an equal amount of banding between the two of them on gradients. I suspect that it's probably coming from YouTube as my 10-bit GH5 footage doesn't have that problem. I was watching 4K on my 32 inch display. Perhaps you could post the video and tell us the timestamp of where you're seeing these terrible gradients? i would bet on youtube encoding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Shirozina said: I can't comment on the video as I don't know how he exposed or processed the images. I can only state I don't see any bad color or light gradients with my P4k as long as I expose it and process it correctly. I also have not seen any substantial banding in the gradients on properly exposed footage with my P4Ks. Banding is more common with 8 bit files, but I haven't had a problem with it on my P4Ks or on my GH5/GH5s cameras when shooting in 10bit. I am with @kye it is probably Youtube compression. I just went outside and filmed a few short clips in DCI4K - Prores Proxy, LT, & 422. ISO 200 f/11 & ISO200 f/22. I can't see banding in the sky anywhere. Not even in the Prores Proxy footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, drm said: I also have not seen any substantial banding in the gradients on properly exposed footage with my P4Ks. Banding is more common with 8 bit files, but I haven't had a problem with it on my P4Ks or on my GH5/GH5s cameras when shooting in 10bit. I am with @kye it is probably Youtube compression. I just went outside and filmed a few short clips in DCI4K - Prores Proxy, LT, & 422. ISO 200 f/11 & ISO200 f/22. I can't see banding in the sky anywhere. Not even in the Prores Proxy footage. Why shouldn't it be? ProRes Proxy is 10-bit 4:2:2, one of the reasons I see it as much interesting than H.264 no matter what. Here's an useful chart: https://blog.frame.io/2017/02/13/50-intermediate-codecs-compared/ Banding can also happen with low bit rate, but you're right, 8-bit is the limitation there. shooter and Belle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Back on topic to something maybe useful - Firmware 6.1 is out ( sorry no BRAW). It has some minor improvements but at present if you are using adapters ( Viltrox, Metabones etc) you will loose aperture control so be warned. I assume they will fix this shortly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, Shirozina said: Back on topic to something maybe useful - Firmware 6.1 is out ( sorry no BRAW). It has some minor improvements but at present if you are using adapters ( Viltrox, Metabones etc) you will loose aperture control so be warned. I assume they will fix this shortly..... Shit. Thanks for the heads up. I updated last night but did no testing. Looks like my MB is getting unmounted for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 My Viltrox still works. I'm pretty sure I'm on the v2.3 firmware for it and don't have any loss of aperture or anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Anaconda_ said: My Viltrox still works. I'm pretty sure I'm on the v2.3 firmware for it and don't have any loss of aperture or anything wrong. Yes it's the latest viltrox firmware that's not working with the latest 6.1 BM firmware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Does anyone know if Black Magic ever officially confirmed BRAW will come to the Pocket 4k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Shirozina said: Back on topic to something maybe useful - Firmware 6.1 is out ( sorry no BRAW). It has some minor improvements but at present if you are using adapters ( Viltrox, Metabones etc) you will loose aperture control so be warned. I assume they will fix this shortly..... Just FYI, my Metabones EF-MFT Speed Booster .71x running v3.00 & the Sigma 18-35 adjusts the aperture properly, even after updating the camera firmware last night. The AF doesn't work, but that didn't work before either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, Shirozina said: Yes it's the latest viltrox firmware that's not working with the latest 6.1 BM firmware So now the latest Viltrox firmware stops the IS on Canon lenses AND doesn't allow aperture changes? What did Viltrox fix with the updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Anaconda_ said: So now the latest Viltrox firmware stops the IS on Canon lenses AND doesn't allow aperture changes? What did Viltrox fix with the updates? Their promise not to support Blackmagic cameras I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I wish there were more manual lenses. Most photography gear has no manual aperture, and its such a good feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Meike make super cheap all manual lenses with click-less aperture. I have their 28mm f2.8 on my GX80 95% I’d the time and consistently get nice shots with it. Of course being manual they also work with the p4k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 hours ago, zerocool22 said: I wish there were more manual lenses. Most photography gear has no manual aperture, and its such a good feature. Ebay is full of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Meike are soon releasing a set of cine-style lenses. I had a quick play with the 25mm at BSC and it seemed quite well built. AlexTrinder96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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