John Brawley Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, jonpais said: Let me ask something: when Blackmagic releases Resolve 16, will users be required to pay if they want to upgrade? So far, from what I can remember back to V9, they've never charged for an upgrade. Once you own it, you own it. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, John Brawley said: So far, from what I can remember back to V9, they've never charged for an upgrade. Once you own it, you own it. JB At last! Thanks, John. 8 minutes ago, Coiii said: Yeah, I know that, at this time we don't have any official footage. It's weird but I think that we don't have any BMD camera with the new color science 4.0 right? I'm really curious about that, maybe my expectations are a little high but I think this little camera will have the same quality (or at least very very close) to the Ursa Mini Pro. Perfect for a B cam to intercut and B roll. It's obvious that it will not be a replacement thanks to all the professional controls on the Ursa, but for low budget filmmakers this will be more than perfect. My only complain it's the sensor, I would love a S35 but I can live with that. I think it would be fair to expect that they'd want the footage to be able to be intercut with the Ursa Mini Pro as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Brawley Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jn- said: Well, thats a pretty good deal! With Vegas, once you own it, you own it forever, i.e. the current version that you paid for, but you gotta pay for the next version upgrade. Yep, especially if you look at what V9 could compared to what you can do today with V15. It's a whole new platform really and they've slowly added greater and greater editing functionality, and now audio and VFX as well as the best in class colour correction and tracking. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 The incredible feature of Resolve is just how good and feature packed the free version is. A real credit to BM. Am I correct in thinking that noise reduction is the primary benefit of the paid version? Looking forward to playing with that in the Pocket version. For a lot of things I still find FCP and the add-ons & plug-ins easier (but as a hobbyist I claim next to zero talent in this respect). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 To me used to see dozens/hundreds of thousands invested on AVID systems before... let alone the hours paid directly in the film lab's bank account... all this seems too odd to read (without extreme roll eyes) several comments written on such completely nonsense posts, a little bit all over internet *phew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Snowfun said: The incredible feature of Resolve is just how good and feature packed the free version is. A real credit to BM. Am I correct in thinking that noise reduction is the primary benefit of the paid version? Looking forward to playing with that in the Pocket version. For a lot of things I still find FCP and the add-ons & plug-ins easier (but as a hobbyist I claim next to zero talent in this respect). Noise and DCI 4K Snowfun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, jonpais said: Now I am going to shake it and throw it against the wall. maybe it does not depend on Davinci, but on your computer ... if I were you I would try to download the latest free version !!! Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonim Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Logan said: Noise and DCI 4K Also exporting in 4k, actually more stable, and some very interesting FX plugins, maybe the most prominent from v14 is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 The local official dealer here announced official pricing for the Pocket 4K, 1.082euros+ VAT = 1.342euros!!! To put that in perspective, GH5 is 1.950 euros (yes, still, it sells so good here, that no one has to decrease the price greatly ), GH5S is 2.500euros, Sony A7iii is 2.300euros, a6500 is 1400euros, e.t.c I am serious tempted to pre order, should I just brake character and go with the flow?! I seriously believe that the camera can be more expensive in the future, I am not sure BM people did the costing right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kisaha said: I am serious tempted to pre order, should I just brake character and go with the flow?! I thought just that and spoke to the retailer. Not sure where in Europe you are, but here in Holland there are a few places where you can cancel your pre-order at anytime and get the deposit back. Maybe it's the same where you are? I actually decided to pre-order from 2 different retailers, with the plan to cancel the one which takes the longest to send it to me. If I get 2 cameras in one day, I can just send one back unopened for a full refund... Or, if the wife happens to be away that day, pretend I sent one back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Blackmagic has quietly increased the price from $1,295 to $1,349 USD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 In the UK they decreased the price by £50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, andrgl said: Blackmagic has quietly increased the price from $1,295 to $1,349 USD. On the /ca/ page (I take it Canadian or something; reference is still USD though). Yeah, I've seen here in Europe differences as well. Apparently has to do with national taxes and how prices have to be shown online or something like it. In some countries it says '€1145', in others '1369€'. andrgl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said: I thought just that and spoke to the retailer. Not sure where in Europe you are, but here in Holland there are a few places where you can cancel your pre-order at anytime and get the deposit back. Maybe it's the same where you are? I actually decided to pre-order from 2 different retailers, with the plan to cancel the one which takes the longest to send it to me. If I get 2 cameras in one day, I can just send one back unopened for a full refund... Or, if the wife happens to be away that day, pretend I sent one back Haha! I couldn't live with so much stress, you are obviously a testosterone-junky doing all that behind your wife's back! I live in Greece and the official importer has it for 1.380euros, there are 4 more re-sellers here, and the cheapest price is the one I mentioned above. I am buying a lot of stuff from the Netherlands, got some friends in Utrecht and Amsterdam as well, most favorite country for sure! Which shops did you pre-order from? @andrgl I am sure a lot of people in the company push a 1.499$ price, and that would still be a steal! How they can do it for so cheap? Anaconda_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, andrgl said: Blackmagic has quietly increased the price from $1,295 to $1,349 USD. Check the currency tab at the top. Its still the same price, you must have the flag changed to Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Eduardo Granadsztejn said: What do you think about the BMPCC4K against the A7III? ($ 700 more) For me it feels like the Pocket is a cinema camera, basically fully manual also for lenses etc. I feel like if I pay 2 grand for an A73 I would then be stuck with a "system" and need to invest in their lens setup, same with GH5. The "system" obviously brings big advantages, the drag is I would instantly feel like I have to now get a 20, 28,..., 50, 85, 300mm plus maybe a 24-120 (if something like it exists. The P2 is just a "sensor" with all it's limitations. It doesn't demand anything but a fairly "professional" approach to shooting stuff. 4 minutes ago, Kisaha said: Haha! I couldn't live with so much stress, you are obviously a testosterone-junky doing all that behind your wife's back! They don't call him @Anaconda_ for no reason. Anaconda_, Kisaha and Eduardo Granadsztejn 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, mechanicalEYE said: Check the currency tab at the top. Its still the same price, you must have the currency changed to Canada That's just a language flag (feel free to change it to 'ru' for Russian or 'fr' for French, etc). It still clearly states the price referenced in 'US$' not 'CAN$' however. 11 minutes ago, Kisaha said: Haha! I couldn't live with so much stress, you are obviously a testosterone-junky doing all that behind your wife's back! I live in Greece and the official importer has it for 1.380euros, there are 4 more re-sellers here, and the cheapest price is the one I mentioned above. I am buying a lot of stuff from the Netherlands, got some friends in Utrecht and Amsterdam as well, most favorite country for sure! Which shops did you pre-order from? @andrgl I am sure a lot of people in the company push a 1.499$ price, and that would still be a steal! How they can do it for so cheap? Main 3 places to check for us (Dutch) Europeans: https://geizhals.eu/ - https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/ - http://www.google.nl/shopping?hl=nl&tab=wf So... his two retailers must be the ones listed here: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1166403/blackmagic-design-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-zwart.html , which have a good reputation from what I know. A German store lists it the cheapest: https://geizhals.eu/blackmagic-design-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-micro-four-thirds-mount-a1801840.html , but I'm doubtful they'll honor that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kisaha said: I am buying a lot of stuff from the Netherlands, got some friends in Utrecht and Amsterdam as well, most favorite country for sure! Which shops did you pre-order from? One from www.kamera-express.nl and the other from www.provideoproducts.nl Interestingly, provideoproducts now include a battery and charger with every pre-order... I hope that one comes first. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, hansel said: For me it feels like the Pocket is a cinema camera, basically fully manual also for lenses etc. I feel like if I pay 2 grand for an A73 I would then be stuck with a "system" and need to invest in their lens setup, same with GH5. The "system" obviously brings big advantages, the drag is I would instantly feel like I have to now get a 20, 28,..., 50, 85, 300mm plus maybe a 24-120 (if something like it exists. The P2 is just a "sensor" with all it's limitations. It doesn't demand anything but a fairly "professional" approach to shooting stuff. They don't call him @Anaconda_ for no reason. I seriously do not get all the usual "GH5 vs Pocket 4K", or "X-T2 vs A7Rii" and the rest. That shows that people do not do their homework, do not know themselves, do not exactly know what they really want to do with their cameras and their lives! How is the Pocket 4K relevant to the A7iii?! Someone that needs (or wants to do) RAW stuff with a manual lens or a small m43 one, is split between this, and the A7iii and its Eye AF and full frame lenses?! I do not get it, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cinegain said: That's just a language flag (feel free to change it to 'ru' for Russian or 'fr' for French, etc). It still clearly states the price referenced in 'US$' not 'CAN$' however. I understand that, my point is the price hasn't changed. If the language changes the price will change according to location. Price is still $1295, and if you change to Canada you get $1349 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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