Matt James Smith ? Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: The Fujinon E-mount lenses are also very long, I'd say it would be a product along those lines. 10mm-ish corresponds to a Micro Four Thirds sensor cropped to 16:9 In 4:3 they are 17x13mm I remember when the XC10 was launched Canon was talking about it as "the successor to the camcorder." Perhaps they've decided to invest in the format as a fully-fledged professional ENG alternative/competitor? Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt James Smith ? Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 There was also this image in the camera/mount patent document: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex T Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Canon who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: This is a F1.85 to F4 and it zooms to 385MM?! That is equivalent to 24-770mm in full frame terms. Maybe they are speeding up the aperture with the Speed Booster optic at the back? The lens have major distortion and vignetting as its design compromises - and rely on in-camera software corrections of these optical flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt James Smith ? Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, cantsin said: The lens have major distortion and vignetting as its design compromises - and rely on in-camera software corrections of these optical flaws. Yes. This ties into the idea that this lens using this "mount" will be a one-off. Essentially it'll be a Bridge camera like the XC10 with it attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Yeah but the damn lens is another Variable Aperture lens. Who the hell needs that for video? That was part of the problem with the original lens. Crazy that Canon of all company's going to a 4/3 sensor! Wonder if it will be the same Sony sensor that is in the GH5s, 4K BMPCC, Kinefinity 4k Terra? Eno and Matt James Smith ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I read an article about a month or so ago that stated Canon was looking to be creative with lens options in upcoming mirrorless cameras. So I think this is probably one of their “creative” options. I believe Canon files dozens to hundreds of patents a year, so who knows if this is for future tech or for a specific product in production. I think we may be seeing a culmination of various possibilities for a couple different mirrorless camera models within this one patent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, mercer said: I read an article about a month or so ago that stated Canon was looking to be creative with lens options in upcoming mirrorless cameras. So I think this is probably one of their “creative” options. I believe Canon files dozens to hundreds of patents a year, so who knows if this is for future tech or for a specific product in production. I think we may be seeing a culmination of various possibilities for a couple different mirrorless camera models within this one patent. Well the GH5s sensor, in a Canon camera, with their Color Science, and DPAF, would not be a bad thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Well the GH5s sensor, in a Canon camera, with their Color Science, and DPAF, would not be a bad thing! Canon won't do that - they develop and manufacture their own sensors. It's part of the reason why they are so profitable. (And part of the reason why their camera specs are behind everyone who uses Sony sensors.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt James Smith ? Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, cantsin said: Canon won't do that - they develop and manufacture their own sensors. It's part of the reason why they are so profitable. (And part of the reason why their camera specs are behind everyone who uses Sony sensors.) The sensor is likely to be similar to the GH5S though. Like the XC10, the camera may shoot stills but will be highly video oriented, not a true hybrid like the GH5 - therefore it won't be a high megapixel sensor. If it's 12mp like the XC10, but on a M43 sensor, then it'll be very similar. The image out of the XC10 in good light is fantastic so an improvement on that is to be welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, cantsin said: Canon won't do that - they develop and manufacture their own sensors. It's part of the reason why they are so profitable. (And part of the reason why their camera specs are behind everyone who uses Sony sensors.) Canon has used a Lot of Sony sensors in their Point n Shoots. I think They Need to use the new Sony m4/3 sensor. It would be a killer combo. The XC15 body would be perfect using it. ProRes Raw in it, constant aperture lens in it. Hell it would put a dent in the 4k BMPCC and the GH5s. Heck I might even buy it! I know @mercer would. Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Alex T said: Canon who? Canon the leader of the industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 19 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: My take on it - https://www.eoshd.com/2018/04/canons-rival-to-the-gh5-leaks/ Nope. Patent refers to "Imaging apparatus" as well - not just the mounting mechanism. It's not the XC10 body anyway. It has multiple ergonomic changes. And I don't think patents work quite like that - the camera body is described in detail, and the functionality of the mount is heavily related to the spec of the body and sensor size, in this case a small sensor. It all relates to the mounting mechanism however. The rest is just boilerplate and examples of how the mounting mechanism could be applied. Don't go by the title or abstract, those are usually very misleading when it comes to patents. It is normal practice to throw everything including the kitchen sink into the boilerplate to cover any conceivable application of what is being claimed. The only thing that counts is what is actually in the claims. Part of getting a patent involves reducing something to practice, and for that you need examples where whatever you are claiming is used, so to the untrained eye it might seem that the patent is covering a whole lot of things when it actually is not. It does not mean that any of it outside of the mounting mechanism would actually be used in a real product, or that a real product would look anything like the example the provided in the specification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 4 hours ago, mercer said: I read an article about a month or so ago that stated Canon was looking to be creative with lens options in upcoming mirrorless cameras. So I think this is probably one of their “creative” options. I believe Canon files dozens to hundreds of patents a year, so who knows if this is for future tech or for a specific product in production. I think we may be seeing a culmination of various possibilities for a couple different mirrorless camera models within this one patent. Awarded over 3,000 patents in the US last year, placing them in the top 5 for the 32nd consecutive year, and the #1 Japanese company for the last 12 years. And that's with other conglomerates like Sony and Toyota to compete with, amazing. Canon's patent filers are busy... https://www.canon.co.uk/press-centre/press-releases/2018/01/patents-awarded-in-2017/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 4 hours ago, mercer said: I read an article about a month or so ago that stated Canon was looking to be creative with lens options in upcoming mirrorless cameras. So I think this is probably one of their “creative” options. I believe Canon files dozens to hundreds of patents a year, so who knows if this is for future tech or for a specific product in production. I think we may be seeing a culmination of various possibilities for a couple different mirrorless camera models within this one patent. Most patents filed are defensive in nature. The point being to claim all sorts of things surrounding your actual product so as to create an IP minefield that would inhibit people who might want to compete with you. Almost all patents issued are never used for in any product specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 24, 2018 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2018 Considering the effort is meant to stifle innovation in their competitors, they don't seem to be doing a good job of that. IronFilm and m0fe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 hours ago, webrunner5 said: Canon has used a Lot of Sony sensors in their Point n Shoots. I think They Need to use the new Sony m4/3 sensor. It would be a killer combo. The XC15 body would be perfect using it. ProRes Raw in it, constant aperture lens in it. Hell it would put a dent in the 4k BMPCC and the GH5s. Heck I might even buy it! I know @mercer would. ohhhh...that would be a very nice camera....but DPAF must be included....and the right price Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: ohhhh...that would be a very nice camera....but DPAF must be included....and the right price Gee what is the right price now for anything since the 4k BMPCC has been announced and the Sony A7 mk III? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger11 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Wasn't there a patent earlier this year for a 1.5" sensor (slightly bigger than m43)? If the rumors are true and Canon is actually committing to mirrorless later this year, then using the EF-M mount with an optional EFEF-S-to-EF-M speedbooster (made by Canon) would be a great move, made usable across multiple Canon cameras (1.5", APS-C, FF). I've learned the hard way to never discount Canon's ability to screw over potential customers, though. Plus no holding off on purchases to see what Canon will come out with. They've thrown away all trust at this point. And their patents have a nasty habit of never becoming real products, so nobody should be getting excited at this point. Gordon Zernich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Canon really try so hard not to give up their outdated ef mount lens~ Will they success by learning and following the PENTAX K-01? But one thing to be sure,PENTAX K-01 was a big failure Maybe wait and see what new plan they can carry out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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