tupp Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Have we already discussed this camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 12, 2018 Super Members Share Posted May 12, 2018 Not as yet but I suspect even on here we'd struggle to match the argument going on about it over at NewsShooter - with the designer no less - where there are accusations of plagiarism, lies and even outright racism with someone claiming because the designer is Spanish it will never get finished on time ! https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/05/09/cinemartin-fran-8k-camera/ Main bone of contention/accusation seems to be that some posters are convinced that Cinemartin are passing this camera off as their own https://www.ximea.com/en/products-news/pci-express-camera-cmv50000 sanveer and tupp 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 it's the same cinemartin brand as those suspicious "cheap monitors" that never came to be sold and that were supposed to be rebranded chinese product? tupp and sanveer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 12, 2018 Super Members Share Posted May 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Grimor said: it's the same cinemartin brand as those suspicious "cheap monitors" that never came to be sold and that were supposed to be rebranded chinese product? I think so http://www.cinemartin.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurolov Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 The monitors were sold and I owned one. But mine was an exact replica of a feelworld monitor just rebranded. The owner is a fiery spaniard but I dont see why they couldn't pull it off. Just dont expect any kind of service if you do buy it. tupp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 I saw this as a facebook ad, the info and branding etc scream "fantasma" , "ghost" in spanish. That's how we call patological bluffers. Grimor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupp Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: Main bone of contention/accusation seems to be that some posters are convinced that Cinemartin are passing this camera off as their own https://www.ximea.com/en/products-news/pci-express-camera-cmv50000 The photo of the Fran certainly looks like the Ximea camera from the front. Good find! On the other hand, the specs don't seem to perfectly match. Judging from Cinemartin's rough sketch, perhaps they are taking the innards of the Ximea and putting them in a different box, with some hardware/software mods. 8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: even outright racism with someone claiming because the designer is Spanish it will never get finished on time ! I wasn't aware that there is such bigotry against those of the Spanish "race." 6 hours ago, Grimor said: it's the same cinemartin brand as those suspicious "cheap monitors" that never came to be sold and that were supposed to be rebranded chinese product? Not familiar with Cinemartin, but a lot of the stuff that get's touted on this forum is re-branded product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted May 12, 2018 Super Members Share Posted May 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, tupp said: Judging from Cinemartin's rough sketch, perhaps they are taking the innards of the Ximea and putting them in a different box, with some hardware/software mods. I think its perfectly legitimate to do that as well but for some reason its really, really wound some of those people up ! 9 minutes ago, tupp said: I wasn't aware that there is such bigotry against those of the Spanish "race." I was being a bit loose with that word as in the UK racism law the definition of race also incorporates national origin. The correct term I should have used of course is dickheadism tupp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Grimor said: it's the same cinemartin brand as those suspicious "cheap monitors" that never came to be sold and that were supposed to be rebranded chinese product? Una mala tarde la tiene cualquiera!!! Grimor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Cobarde, pecador!!! Xavier Plagaro Mussard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Honestly I don't care if it's exactly the same camera (or product) as something already existing as long as there's no hiding or misleading people about that fact. My friend has a few of their monitors, they are exactly the same as some I have (Feelworld and a few other names). The only thing I think is weird about that company is it's misleading/confusing pricing of monitors and the way in which you order them. That being said people can operate as they wish, it's up to you as the consumer whether you purchase it. tupp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 @tweak 100% agree. When their cheap monitor was announced, I tried to buy it but the shipping & import rates to Spain made it too expensive. Finally i got a Lilliput A7s with same funtions and identical menu layout. Another topic of conversation would be the aggressive strategy in introducing a product below its cost to break the market to get publicity or notoriety. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Grimor said: When their cheap monitor was announced, I tried to buy it but the shipping & import rates to Spain made it too expensive. Too expensive to buy in Spain? Even though it seems the Cinemartin designer is spanish himself? Kinda weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Thats the way it is. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 To or from Spain? Because they're based there... I am puzzled on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 If the memory does not fail me, the shipment was not from Spain then. Now it seems that the company is in Barcelona. I do not know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 In Barcelona there could be only one office ... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyd Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 New info and apparently you can buy it now, although not quite sure who in their right mind would do that. https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/07/18/more-details-emerge-about-the-cinemartin-fran-8k/ IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, johnnyd said: who in their right mind would do that This one: ??? johnnyd and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 21, 2018 Super Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 Z-Cam: "We have produced the most mundane and uninspiring footage that any company could ever possibly publish for promoting their cinema camera" Cinemartin: "Hold my beer....." johnnyd, webrunner5, IronFilm and 5 others 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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