Emanuel Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: The name of the company should be Cinetrolla. That one made to come to my mind a classic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Jesus Christ that pre release footage. Compare that to the Sony rx100mk6 release video and I'd say the lil point shoot is the real cinema camera ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Haha that is brilliant ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 omg that video is amazing is this a tommy wiseau side project? Andrew Reid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupp Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 7:28 PM, IronFilm said: Which means we can expect to see the final shipping camera in the stores sometime in early 2030 7 hours ago, seanzzxx said: So this camera is going on sale soon, I wonder which one of you is correct... ? Actually, if the camera does get released, I would imagine that it would happen sometime in between your two projected times. It probably won't happen "soon," as the guy in the video announcement didn't give any prices, and also note that the images of some of the camera models are CAD renderings. Two more camera models? That's even more ambitious than two guys producing a single camera. Somebody needs to go to the Ximea site and see if they are offering additional cameras with similar features to these two additional models. 1 hour ago, Mako Sports said: Jesus Christ that pre release footage. Compare that to the Sony rx100mk6 release video and I'd say the lil point shoot is the real cinema camera ? The footage looks pretty good to me, especially the properly exposed shots showing sunlit areas juxtaposed to deep shadow areas. However, the only way to get an accurate assessment of the DR is to conduct a proper test with proper charts. 4 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: The name of the company should be Cinetrolla. I don't see any indication of "trolling." They appear to actually be making progress. On the other hand, this recent announcement is probably premature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanzzxx Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 hours ago, tupp said: I wonder which one of you is correct... ? Actually, if the camera does get released, I would imagine that it would happen sometime in between your two projected times. It probably won't happen "soon," as the guy in the video announcement didn't give any prices, and also note that the images of some of the camera models are CAD renderings. I don't see any indication of "trolling." They appear to actually be making progress. On the other hand, this recent announcement is probably premature. IronFilm's comment was made before the announcement, but Cinemartin is talking about two-to-four months, depending on the model: https://***URL removed***/news/2936447826/cinemartin-launches-fran-cameras-with-8k-global-shutter-and-raw-support Quote The footage looks pretty good to me, especially the properly exposed shots showing sunlit areas juxtaposed to deep shadow areas. However, the only way to get an accurate assessment of the DR is to conduct a proper test with proper charts. No offense, but you have to be almost wilfully obtuse to think this footage looks good or even displays good dynamic range. You don't notice the: 1) Incredibly wonky colors in log and even more so in the 'graded' footage at 2.56 or 2.19? I mean you could argue that this was the grade but this footage should never, ever be allowed to look like that in a product launch video, 2) The heavy IR cast in much of the footage, including 2.56 and 2.10, 3) The focus being off in a lot of the footage, most noticeably in 2.04: I mean these are the fundamentals, this simply cannot happen in a video like this, 4) the dynamic range looks terrible and I would really love for you to convince me otherwise, you've got clipped highlight details and milky, crushed blacks at 1.48, 1.50 (better shadow detail), 1.58, 2,04, 2.18 and this is JUST from THEIR OWN highlight reel. You could argue this is because they didn't do anything to control the lighting on an extremely sunny day at high noon but my question to you would be then that WHY, for God's sake, would you EVER shoot your video like this when the aim of it is to make your footage look good?! 5) the overall production quality is laughable, with audio sounding like they recorded it straight from a rode videomic pro in an empty concrete room, visuals popping in-and-out of frame out of sync, the guy explaining how to import the footage to your NLE, I mean it doesn't make ANY sense. This video is a masterwork in unintentional comedy. EDIT: Prices by the way: Fran LT: €10,995 regular, €7,920 introductory Fran (STD): €17,790 regular, €15,995 introductory Fran Plus: €25,670 regular, €19,995 introductory I mean these are URSA, EVA-1, even RED prices ... that's a big ask for this footage. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyd Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Oh my, the launch video is interesting to say the least ? Seems that they are also making a name for themselves over on their facebook page by trying to publicly shame someone who bought a defective monitor from them and tried to return it ?♂️ Is there really someone who's willing to spend $10-25k on this company.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 7, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2018 https://***URL removed***/news/2936447826/cinemartin-launches-fran-cameras-with-8k-global-shutter-and-raw-support It shouldn't get the publicity. I have been burned before by a clickbait writer slapping something up on DPReview because it has a buzzword in the title. They publicised a Kickstarter campaign for a high speed camera which had WAY more credibility than this but it led to a £1000 loss for me. ND64 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, johnnyd said: Oh my, the launch video is interesting to say the least ? Seems that they are also making a name for themselves over on their facebook page by trying to publicly shame someone who bought a defective monitor from them and tried to return it ?♂️ Is there really someone who's willing to spend $10-25k on this company.. The point is: that's a price list. This doesn't mean they will ever sell a single unit! : -D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hans Punk and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Punk Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Q: Where is the SDI Port? A: Andrew Reid and ND64 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 7, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2018 HAHAHHAHA Hans Punk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTrinder96 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 So even the £25k model doesn't have SDI? I want whatever he's smoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 5:48 PM, kaylee said: omg that video is amazing is this a tommy wiseau side project? i dont wanna change the subject, but greg sesteros audiobook for the disaster artist is amazing. its not the movie, its his book, and he does an AMAZING tommy impression the whole time. some priceless moments, check it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Speaking of crazy stuff how about making a Cheap Hasselblad-Xpan camera Hack. https://***URL removed***/news/6315485244/video-diy-hasselblad-xpan-camera-combines-hasselblad-500cm-and-anamorphic-lens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 10, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2018 I think we have a serious problem with the truth. We have a problem with clickbait. And in some ways Webrunner5, you just contributed to the problem. If you want to discuss the Fran 8K on this thread, keep discussing it. NO more off-topic clickbait. OK? Or I'll have no choice but to have this forum clean up it's act and that will include dropping members who frequently link out to bad sources of info, or spread mis-information. There is enough bullshit and misinformation on YouTube and the internet, without creating more links to it here. Understood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 So I guess any video about anything you consider clickbait? Any camera test, and info on memory cards form B&H on sale. Clickbait can be defined as about anything in this day and age. And yeah I put that by accident in the wrong forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 10, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2018 Use your better judgement. I am sick of being led out to some clickbait SHIT or discussing ad-infinity yet another shitty YOUTUBE video. This forum needs to get back on track. It's a turn off. When did you guys stop CREATING stuff and posting that instead?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Posting anything on here you shot as of late is a good way to get embarrassed. I gave that shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/7/2018 at 10:20 AM, Kisaha said: Highest resolution camera, with the lowest quality of sound. Was that even 8K sound at all? :-P That video was amazing, for not being able to do anything right. On 11/7/2018 at 3:16 PM, tupp said: I wonder which one of you is correct... ? For the sake of everybody who might buy one, I hope I'm right and it doesn't come out until 2030 johnnyd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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