Mini Review - URay On Camera HDMI IP Encoder

[webrunner5]

17 hours ago, IronFilm said:

I'm guessing I can use this as a camera for Skype chats? Well, it is something I'll find out very soon next week!

My plan is to use a Halter Technical Field Monitor to listen to the Skyper call at the other end, without their voice getting picked up on my end.  

Hmm interesting find. Thanks.

[IronFilm]

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http://192.168.1.168/ is unreachable.

Well this is annoying, and a reset doesn't fix this either.

[IronFilm]

Ok, now it is getting to be connected. 
But was very very very slow, unlike the first time I connected. 


Annnnnnndddd.... now I'm back to being unable to connect.

Seeing as I can't see the user panel, I can't recall what the default WiFi password was either, was it 12345678 I think?

[IronFilm]

Been a bit side tracked with other things so haven't really put the time in to get this to work. 
Because every time I try, it seems like I'm hitting my head against a brick wall. 

For instance I might turn it on, plug in the LAN cable and be able to access http://192.168.1.168/

But then if I plug in the HDMI cable I can't, so I unplug the HDMI cable, there is only the LAN cable now plugged in. And now suddenly I can't access http://192.168.1.168/ ???? WHY??? It makes utterly no sense at all to me sometimes what is going on here. 

Or like now, I can't see the WiFi at all from my iPod Touch to even attempt to connect, where did it disappear to and why?

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Status

Running Time:0000-00-00 00:00:09

Device Time:2018-03-23 06:22:31(Sync Time To Device)

CPU Usage:0%

Memory Usage:17.6M/89.1M

Input Size:1920x1080p@0

Collected Video Frames:0

Lost Video Frames:2

Audio Samplerate:48000

Collected Audio Frames:0

Net Packet Sent:20

Net Packet Dropped:0

WIFI status

WIFI SSID:AP_Encoder_40008

WIFI IP:192.168.8.8

WIFI MAC:14:6B:9C:66:E8:A4

Main stream

Encoding Size:1920x1080@30

Bitrate(kbit):2800

TS URL:http://192.168.1.168/0.ts

HLS URL:http://192.168.1.168/0.m3u8

FLV URL:http://192.168.1.168/0.flv

RTSP URL:rtsp://192.168.1.168/0

RTMP PUBLISH URL:Disable

Multicast URL:Disable

 

I might just copy and past stuff here, so that I remember what they are.

However I just now got this:

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This site can’t be reached

http://192.168.1.168/WifiSetE.html is unreachable.

Try running Windows Network Diagnostics.

ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE

As I wanted to look up what is the WiFi password by default. 

However I couldn't.... this has been pretty "normal" behavior I have experienced, that I'd maybe maybe if I'm lucky be able to access the main page and then perhaps one more... before the whole stack of cards comes crashing down, and then I can't access anything at all :-/ 

 

[IronFilm]

Well, I managed to figure out the WiFi password, by not going first to the main screen but instead by going straight to the http://192.168.1.168/WifiSetE.html page directly (after starting again from scratch by removing the battery then plugging it back in again beforehand):

 

I'm so pissed, the password is indeed "12345678" like I remembered! So why haven't I been able to connect to the WiFi network before? I just keep on getting told "Wrong Password".

And of course, just like before, as soon as I try to then navigate on to the next page from here, then everything seems to crash and stop working:
 

 

 

[BTM_Pix]

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

Well, I managed to figure out the WiFi password, by not going first to the main screen but instead by going straight to the http://192.168.1.168/WifiSetE.html page directly (after starting again from scratch by removing the battery then plugging it back in again beforehand):

 

I'm so pissed, the password is indeed "12345678" like I remembered! So why haven't I been able to connect to the WiFi network before? I just keep on getting told "Wrong Password".

And of course, just like before, as soon as I try to then navigate on to the next page from here, then everything seems to crash and stop working:
 

 

 

Try this ip address from my original post as it might be up to the same game

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 Its a bit clunky getting it going as the documentation wasn’t exactly readily available so I wasted a lot of time being unable to connect to it as an access point because the router address it uses when wireless is entirely different (and undocumented) to what it is when you are using the LAN port or it is in bridge mode.( Its 192.168.8.8 by the way  )

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[Alex_Fatkulin]

IronFilm, did you make this thing finally work correctly? 

And thanks a lot for you and BTM_Pix for this thread! Very helpful, thinking about buying this stuff. 

And your answer about how its really work is very interesting

 

[IronFilm]

On a somewhat kinda related point, I feel what this young 1st/2nd AC wrote about the current situation with pro wireless video hardware is insightful/interesting:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?171125-My-Quest-for-the-Best-Wireless-Video

 

[Urmas]

Hi, BTM_Pix

June 13th wrote

>If you are interested in purely doing that then I have another solution for that that is really low latency but thats for another day.

Can you share your experiences about the anothe solution?

And what you think about the URay HEVC H.265/H.264 3g/4 https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/32798671952.html?storeId=2349192&spm=a2g1y.12024536.productList_2475347.subject_10

I need trusted top camera encoder for live streaming (3 and  4 G, with Sony battery and so...)

 

[IronFilm]

Aside from BTM_Pix, who else has got this working? I'll admit I never did, but then again I've mostly forgotten about this for months and months as I've been elsewhere busy with life! Should take another look into make it work for me. 

[BTM_Pix]

23 hours ago, Urmas said:

Hi, BTM_Pix

June 13th wrote

>If you are interested in purely doing that then I have another solution for that that is really low latency but thats for another day.

Can you share your experiences about the anothe solution?

The fastest low latency monitoring (without getting into massive expense) is to use an old style FPV transmitter as per solutions for GoPros on the original Phantom drones etc.

As that is an analogue signal, to use it with an HDMI camera then you need and HDMI>AV converter such as this (approx €12 )

Then you connect the output of that to a transmitter such as this one (approx €10 )

There is also this product from Skyzone that is a transmitter with an HDMI input so combines both devices but is a bit more expensive (approx €50 ).

Once it is transmitting in this format you then have a multitude of options to receive the signal such as a dedicated monitor like this which come in an array of sizes (approx €30 for 4 inch, approx €50 for 7 inch )

Or you could use an adapter such as this which lets you use your Android device as a monitor (approx €17 )

Another alternative are the FPV goggles which aren't exactly the most discrete thing in the world but are certainly effective outdoors (approx €90 for these particular ones )

Or even this wristwatch receiver which with a Hoodman or similar loupe could actually be fashioned into a remote EVF (approx €35 )

The upside to going this route versus any HDMI wireless solution is that its low cost, lower latency and also very much longer range (1km and up).

In addition, as it operates on 5.8Ghz, it is much less prone to interference in crowded public spaces than if it was on 2.4Ghz.

The downside is that its not HD obviously as it gets downconverted but with the focus tools on modern cameras for critical manual focus that certainly not the issue it might once have been.

The other downside is that its a bit messy on the transmitter end as you need a battery solution for it but making it need is only a question of getting a small project box to put it in really.

Here is a latency demo of a typical solution using the Skyzone TX-5D

23 hours ago, Urmas said:

 

And what you think about the URay HEVC H.265/H.264 3g/4 https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/32798671952.html?storeId=2349192&spm=a2g1y.12024536.productList_2475347.subject_10

I need trusted top camera encoder for live streaming (3 and  4 G, with Sony battery and so...)

 

I haven't used one of those but it looks like an ideal integrated solution with having the modem built in.

The only thing to be cautious of is being able to get enough cellular network coverage at the location.

Not only in terms of there just not being any but also if its a big public event trying to get enough bandwidth can be a problem.

I use a Teradek Vidiu Pro for this reason as it allows you to bond multiple connections together to create a much higher bandwidth.

This means that if a venue has public wifi for instance but because of the number of people connected to it you can't get enough bandwidth to get a decent stream out then you can combine that with several cellular network signals and aggregate them together into a much faster connection. 

There are three things to bear in mind about the Vidiu Pro though, the first being that as the streams are aggregated and then sent on to their destination via Teradek's servers then there is, not unreasonably, a usage fee has to be paid to use it. They have the a pay as you go option which is $10 per gigabyte of uplink or subscriptions starting at $20 per month which gives you 50 gigabytes of uplink.  It sounds a bit onerous but if you are doing it commercially then it won't add much to your fee to pass this on to your customer and its definitely worth it for the extra security that bonding connections brings. 

Obviously, if you don't want to use that service then you can just use the wifi or ethernet ports if the venue has them available.

The next thing to bear in mind is how it does the cellular connection as it doesn't actually have a cellular modem built in and how it achieves it is a bit unusual in that you have to use iPhones to do it. At first this sounds like a non-starter based on cost but as it can be run on anything from an iPhone 5s upwards then if you get three of those used you are looking at less than £250 to have a very powerful bonded system. Bear in mind as well that you can also put SIM cards from different providers in each of them to give yourself more safety as you then have an opportunity to spread your uplink out over a number of different networks.

The final thing of course is cost as Vidiu Pro and the three phones (although you could start with one and build up  ) is going to be not far off three times the price of URay.

Whether that is worth it to you is something I don't know.

If you are doing it commercially where you can't let the client down and will be working in different environments that will have very varying network connections then I'd say it was but if you are just looking to live broadcast one camera from the same place all the time for personal use and you have a consistent network situation then its probably overkill.

Details about the Vidiu Pro here anyway.

 https://teradek.com/collections/vidiu-family

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

Aside from BTM_Pix, who else has got this working? I'll admit I never did, but then again I've mostly forgotten about this for months and months as I've been elsewhere busy with life! Should take another look into make it work for me. 

Which bit of it was causing the issue ?

[Urmas]

Hi, BTM_Pix, thanx for information!!
I found such kind encoder today:  OPR-Q7 4G HDMI Video Encoder.https://www.oupree.com/OPR-Q7-4G-HDMI-Video-Encoder.html 

Q7-4G LTE HDMI Video Encoder http://www.szminetech.com/h-264-video-encoder/3g-4g-video-encoder/q7-4g-lte-hdmi-video-encoder.html#F1

Is there any experience or thoughts on that? Could it be a very good choice for making live stream?

PS. Interesting. Different brands, but the encoder is exactly the same
Who is the real manufacturer?

[BTM_Pix]

28 minutes ago, Urmas said:

Hi, BTM_Pix, thanx for information!!
I found such kind encoder today:  OPR-Q7 4G HDMI Video Encoder.https://www.oupree.com/OPR-Q7-4G-HDMI-Video-Encoder.html 

Q7-4G LTE HDMI Video Encoder http://www.szminetech.com/h-264-video-encoder/3g-4g-video-encoder/q7-4g-lte-hdmi-video-encoder.html#F1

Is there any experience or thoughts on that? Could it be a very good choice for making live stream?

PS. Interesting. Different brands, but the encoder is exactly the same
Who is the real manufacturer?

I have no experience of them but one thing that does look interesting versus the Uray is that it has an integrated status display screen and buttons to control it whereas the Uray has to be operated through the web interface.

That is a big advantage for setting up and making changes and the integral battery makes it a neater overall package too.

[IronFilm]

On 5/31/2019 at 1:12 AM, BTM_Pix said:

Which bit of it was causing the issue ?

I'd often struggle to simply even log into the web browser page to configure it, sometimes I'd get in... often it just wouldn't

[BTM_Pix]

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

I'd often struggle to simply even log into the web browser page to configure it, sometimes I'd get in... often it just wouldn't

For reasons unkown (and undocumented) it uses a different ip address when you are accessing the configuration page by wifi.

If you use 192.168.8.8 then it should find it.

[IronFilm]

I recall accessing it via LAN, but I probably tried over WiFi as well. 
Anyway, kinda low on my priority list at the moment to get it going, however I'll keep that in mind for next time I try. 

[Marty509]

My question is what are the settings to use this encoder with Teradek Airmix Solo?  I have it setup and can see the video feed in  my browser but need the settings so that Airmix Solo can see the encoder.