Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 28, 2018 Administrators Share Posted July 28, 2018 LL just banned political talk on their forum, and after the rocky ride of the last few topics that have talked about issues in the film industry and on YouTube, I would like to hear from YOU about what you think of it... https://luminous-landscape.com/changes-on-the-forum-coffee-corner/ Referendum is advisory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Nah. ...but the caveat is we can't mention Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Yeah, but I hope it doesn't end up as a Ban Fest LoL. I mean we are allowed Not to post on it, so why the hell not. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said: Nah. ...but the caveat is we can't mention Trump Brexit. hansel and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 It's got nothing to do with actual doing "film" making so I voted away with it. I agree that there are pressures topics regarding freedom of speech in the realm of artistic expression etc... but for me discussing them here does not advance my knowledge of constructing arguments in a visual way. Maybe a sub forum can bundle the message, media and artist, rights discourse better. Orangenz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I don't read or post in the political threads, mostly because things just make me unhappy. I think that politics is one of those things that can make you go from liking someone to not liking them if you discover they have different priorities to you, so I don't think it really adds to the overall sense of community. Orangenz, Cinegain, webrunner5 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Yeah it is way more a negative experience than anything positive coming from it. But that is sort of what younger people do to learn and experience things, and to discover that it is more harmful than useful in the long run. The trouble is that no one really changes their mind on a subject, you just dig in your heels further. Oh well. Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Is it that big of a problem on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 46 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah it is way more a negative experience than anything positive coming from it. But that is sort of what younger people do to learn and experience things, and to discover that it is more harmful than useful in the long run. The trouble is that no one really changes their mind on a subject, you just dig in your heels further. Oh well. I agree that people are unlikely to change their minds on the subject. During the aftermath of the US election I read a couple of excellent articles that really gave me an insight into the thinking of people who voted differently to how I would have (I'm not a US citizen) but unfortunately most of the content / discussion on such topics does nothing to increase understanding or empathy of people with views that differ from your own. 2 hours ago, hansel said: It's got nothing to do with actual doing "film" making so I voted away with it. I agree that there are pressures topics regarding freedom of speech in the realm of artistic expression etc... but for me discussing them here does not advance my knowledge of constructing arguments in a visual way. Maybe a sub forum can bundle the message, media and artist, rights discourse better. In addition to the freedom of speech aspect of art, I think there's also the impacts to the industry and people's livelihoods. I'm not familiar with the specifics of it, but things like globalisation, immigration, etc are likely to be relevant topics to those who are industry professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bioskop.Inc Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 It's fine, as long as people can accept that others won't have the same opinion as themselves & that discussions don't descend into hurling insults! Yes, I just wrote that & understand we're on the internet. Just leave your Twitter brain at home, don't get offended so easily & accept different points of view. No Racism, Sexism etc... Oh! And instead of just continuing to bang the same drum, perhaps engage people about why they hold a certain position? Yeah, I just wrote that & I still know we're on the internet. JordanWright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 29, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted July 29, 2018 As long as the different point of view isn't an obvious conspiracy, unethical, racist or just a blatant lie, there's no need to insult. Unfortunately... A lot of people's politics revolve around all 4 of the latter! webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I firmly believe in the right to talk freely, but you have to question whether such topics are actually a benefit to what EOSHD is all about? First and foremost, people come here to talk about geeky camera stuff. You might attract a trouble making swarm of trolls if EOSHD suddenly got known for political discussions, and people might find that unwelcoming. I think you should have a sub-forum, with a chat about relevant industry topics, so it doesn’t get too personal and off vibe. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I voted move to a sub forum, despite the obvious bias presented in the poll options. Lots of forums have places for political discussions since they always tend to get heated. The arguments always go in circles since an internet argument isn't going to change anyone's opinion. Its also clear from reading through some of the recent threads here and elsewhere, some people really don't know or understand American politics (especially on a state/local level which had a huge impact on recent elections), our economy and our history. As an American I fully support free speech. But I don't go to camera, Jeep, mountain bike, guitar and travel forums to read ill-informed political discussions. Chris Jonesy Jones and Jadesroom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said: I voted move to a sub forum, despite the obvious bias presented in the poll options. Lots of forums have places for political discussions since they always tend to get heated. The arguments always go in circles since an internet argument isn't going to change anyone's opinion. Its also clear from reading through some of the recent threads here and elsewhere, some people really don't know or understand American politics (especially on a state/local level which had a huge impact on recent elections), our economy and our history. As an American I fully support free speech. But I don't go to camera, Jeep, mountain bike, guitar and travel forums to read ill-informed political discussions. Chris Well the trouble is a Husband and a Wife don't really understand each other either with Politics. I had 3 pretty big time businesses. I voted Republican, if memory serves me right, all the time I had them. But I am sure my wife with the kids in mind probably voted Democrat in the same time frame. We never asked each other how we voted. That Is a private thing. So even within close families there is division, and arguing best be left out of that if you want to stay married LoL. There is unfortunately no real winner either way in elections for all, not with this bickering Congress we have today in this country. It wasn't nearly as bad years ago. They Used to go drinking and play cards together, now Good Luck with that happening! Now I know they are not all bad, but the leaders on Both sides seem to be brain dead. They are out for their own good not the peoples good. Orangenz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Actually, @Oliver Daniel reminded me that often on other forums they have an "anything goes" type of sub-forum which is for the hot topics. In audio there are lots more hot topics than in cameras.. things like cables, ABX testing, etc. At least here we all agree that Mojo and Motion Cadence are real things, despite there being a complete lack of technical explanation ??? webrunner5 and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, kye said: Actually, @Oliver Daniel reminded me that often on other forums they have an "anything goes" type of sub-forum which is for the hot topics. In audio there are lots more hot topics than in cameras.. things like cables, ABX testing, etc. At least here we all agree that Mojo and Motion Cadence are real things, despite there being a complete lack of technical explanation ??? Sort of like one of our Supreme Court judges, Justice Potter Stewart, "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. @ Wiki. He used the phrase in 1964 to define what really was Pornographic in a case with Hustler Magazine.. I like the definition of... gee just look at the output of the Original BMPCC. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bioskop.Inc Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: As long as the different point of view isn't an obvious conspiracy, unethical, racist or just a blatant lie, there's no need to insult. Unfortunately... A lot of people's politics revolve around all 4 of the latter! Herein lies the problem & I didn't realise that the guy who outed Gunn (or should that be highlighted his bad Troma-era jokes) actually gained traction/notoriety via a Gaming forum, of all places! The real problem with political topics is that most people don't properly read things, or they read only as far as the thing that annoys them, then they go on a single minded mission to make their point over & over & over & over.......yawn! And yes, there are going to be tons of misinformed phone zombies that believe everything they read via Twitter/Facebook etc. The times we live in! The firing of Gunn was a topic that we should have been able to discuss & is very relevant to a forum such as this, but.....and it is a big BUT, people are always going to derail topics to suit their own agendas - a case in point is the P4K thread that got overrun by GH5 fanatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slonick81 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1) After russian internets it's like a victorian gentlemen's club here. But problem is present, so better take some measures. 2) Total prohibition of any political topics is overkill, as for me. You won't choke it to death, it'll still rise in indirect and ugly forms. Besides, Andrew himself has started some discussions on political topics, I guess it's important for him, too. 3) So I voted for subforum. All hot heads can quarrel there and should be banned from any other threads for trying. It will take more moderation efforts but it's lesser evil among those three. hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 My vote is for a subforum, the ones who like those eternal discussions about politics without any real purpouse can be happy there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I am for any kind of discussion, as long as One Single Viewpoint as being right, is not valiantly forced down anyone's throat. We live in a world where we have scant knowledge of real facts, thanks to the majority of the news being fake. And this fake narrative continues across healthcare and medicines, science and tech, and everywhere else. I also agree, a sub-forum solely meantfor all such debates; should be created. It seems out of place on the main forum page. In ways I also feel it helps people get out of their loneliness, boredom and depression. Maybe it's helping save a few people from suicide or (committing) murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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