Danyyyel Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 10:12 AM, deezid said: Intentionally, since they were really noisy, and not that kind of nice noise you get on ARRI and Blackmagic cameras ? Expand WOW so you come here and tell us how "GH5 looks better at ISO5000 than the Z6 in these examples at ISO8000" and then you show us one example of your work where the blacks are completely clipped while in the Nikon one we can see a lot of detail in the shadows. In fact, that's the amazing thing in this footage is the dynamic range at such high ISO. Getting all those nuances from the moon/lights in the tent to the subtle mist in the mountains. Could you show us some footage of the GH5 shot at higher ISO with such nuance from the highlight of the moon/lamps in the tent to those misty shadows, even seeing the green of the grass like in this video. Everyone who has shot at night know how difficult it is to get either details from an artificial lamp or the surrounding nature. Generally you have to choose to expose from one or the other. The last thing, before lecturing people and critisizing a beta camera that you have never used, try to ask before about things like noise removal and sharpening settings. What do you know the reason the guy sharpened it, I will give you one, perhaps he wanted his 1080p 120 fps footage to match a bit closer to the 4k one, for obvious reasons. The last last thing before anyone make any assumption, the night footage was shot 8000 iso and above, it is written and the end of the film. So we might have 10-25 K iso or even more in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 He also used Noise reduction with NeatVideo. jonpais 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 6:47 PM, Danyyyel said: The last last thing before anyone make any assumption, the night footage was shot 8000 iso and above, it is written and the end of the film. So we might have 10-25 K iso or even more in there. Expand Yes, I do wonder what was the highest ISO used in those shots. I'd love to see them try and do a super extreme example with the Z6 (or with a BMPCC4K/Terra4K/E2/GH5S/etc!), like this: webrunner5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Pretty pointless trying to judge noise levels off vimeo or youtube. The Moonlight short looks great, though I don't think anything with such high megapixels will be able to compete much with the A7S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 9:30 AM, Castorp said: Most viewing is done on smartphone screens and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. Expand I’m sorry, but that is the funniest comment I’ve read in the past 38 minutes. Like, we all might as well shoot with a potato then in that case. ? Apart from the fact that filmmakers interested in this or any other camera will in all likelihood be viewing content on anything other than a smartphone. Really and truly, this ‘most ppl this, most ppl that’ type of reasoning doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. ? On 9/19/2018 at 2:34 AM, thebrothersthre3 said: Pretty pointless trying to judge noise levels off vimeo or youtube. Expand True that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 2:52 AM, jonpais said: I’m sorry, but that is the funniest comment I’ve read in the past 38 minutes. Expand What did you read 39 minutes ago? TheRenaissanceMan, ND64, elgabogomez and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 2:52 AM, jonpais said: I’m sorry, but that is the funniest comment I’ve read in the past 38 minutes. Like, we all might as well shoot with a potato then in that case. ? Apart from the fact that filmmakers interested in this or any other camera will in all likelihood be viewing content on anything other than a smartphone. Really and truly, this ‘most ppl this, most ppl that’ type of reasoning doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. ? True that. Expand Didn’t somebody already make the potato joke? ?? I’m pleased to entertain you, but why would you shoot with a potato? Why not shoot with a camera with a beautiful image? Somebody said “you have to judge through 4K screen” which I think is nonsense. That’s the context of my comment. It is always good to remember to have some perspective. That’s all. MattH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This is a 4K camera so you have to judge it through a 4K screen. Any other way is a joke. deezid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:43 AM, liork said: This is a 4K camera so you have to judge it through a 4K screen. Any other way is a joke. Expand There is more accurate way: "Resolution in frames grabbed from video shot at low ISO is 1042 LP/PH (96 percent of the theoretical maximum) and 972 LP/PH at high ISO (90 percent)." https://www.pdnonline.com/gear/cameras/mirrorless/nikon-z7-camera-review/ Castorp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:06 AM, jonpais said: Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Expand GH5S has 7 high deviations and its #4. Z7 looks very similar to D850 but look at the 6 and 7 rows, it has more deviations in skin tone ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:43 AM, liork said: This is a 4K camera so you have to judge it through a 4K screen. Any other way is a joke. Expand If you want to peep, then yes. As far as other things, like seeing the green in the moonlit grass, or how well balanced the various light sources look in that video and how lovely the overall image looks, no you don’t need a 4K screen. Happy peeping! Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 For Color and dynamic range, you need a calibrated screen, and the Z6 looks nice indeed (most phone screens are far from calibrated). For Noise and details, you have to watch it on original resolution. Its not peeping, as noise get masked when you downscale to 1080p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:06 AM, jonpais said: Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Expand Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 not too keen on the 1080 slow mo at the end of that vid. And not 100% sold on the rest of it. It did look a bit glossy and over sharpened, but for what I do it'll be fine. The rate of development is slightly obscene. I dont make enough money to keep up with it ? Its bonkers that if this camera had come out 3 months ago, there'd be way fewer doubters around. Now we're all like: no 10 bit internal 60fps or raw? meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 19, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:06 AM, jonpais said: Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Expand Being too close to the colour standards on a chart is what got Sony into colour problems in the first place. It was a 100% science based approach when actually colour is also an art. hansel, Emanuel, Simon Young and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 11:20 AM, Andrew Reid said: Being too close to the colour standards on a chart is what got Sony into colour problems in the first place. It was a 100% science based approach when actually colour is also an art. Expand Right, they are the most accurate according to the tests, but almost universally disliked. Hopefully, the a7s III will be ranked lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Here are my fav couple of posts ever posted on these boards... : ) For some reason this craft is much of a technique, art technique, this is what pictures are made, after all : -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:06 AM, jonpais said: Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Expand Thats pretty cool. Real life isn't always very appeasing haha. I am cool with Sony having accurate colors. They should just include a picture profile that has a very pleasing forgiving look. jonpais 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 More autofocus tests with the Z7 and some adapted lenses. Looks promising! Geoff CB, Emanuel and Castorp 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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