Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 19, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted September 19, 2018 I think we can safely put aside concerns about AF with a huge range of existing Nikon glass. That makes it a whole notch more exciting. Sticks like glue. Dual Pixel AF finally gets knocked off top spot? Frustrating thing is nobody seems to have a Z6! If that has the same AF engine in video mode then it will make sense to wait. Young 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 It might sound desperate but I’m praying Nikon doesn’t fuck up with the Z6, crippling it’s continuous autofocus somehow just because it’s the cheaper model. If it’s on par with the Z7, I’ll buy it on release day Loving he motion cadence as well! Castorp, Geoff CB, hansel and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The AF and colour look very promising.... my interest is increasing. Just something about the dr and highlight rolloff that seems off though, hopefully just user error. Keen to test the z6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 19, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted September 19, 2018 The 120p looks better than Canon's 24p! Emanuel, PannySVHS, hansel and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:06 AM, jonpais said: Color reproduction ranking. This should ruffle some feathers. ? Expand Thanks Jon, that's very interesting and also quite useful. I had a quick scan and noticed that the Canons I looked at had similar 'errors' so the test seems reliable, and this means that for colour grading I think this holds some useful information for getting 'those canon colours' or colours from Nikon and others. Everyone knows they change the colours to look flattering or give a nice subjective look but the actual details are never discussed, which means we can't learn from them. I'll devote further study to this for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 9:17 PM, kye said: Thanks Jon, that's very interesting and also quite useful. I had a quick scan and noticed that the Canons I looked at had similar 'errors' so the test seems reliable, and this means that for colour grading I think this holds some useful information for getting 'those canon colours' or colours from Nikon and others. Everyone knows they change the colours to look flattering or give a nice subjective look but the actual details are never discussed, which means we can't learn from them. I'll devote further study to this for sure! Expand Yeah I think the playing field has leveled in the last few years on color. Everyone seems to be copping Canon color, maybe even surpassing them as of late. I think the new Venice color is more Canon'ish than Canon to be honest. kye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:53 PM, Simon Young said: It might sound desperate but I’m praying Nikon doesn’t fuck up with the Z6, crippling it’s continuous autofocus somehow just because it’s the cheaper model. If it’s on par with the Z7, I’ll buy it on release day Loving he motion cadence as well! Expand Can't judge Z with this one.. the atteractiveness of the girl makes a heavy bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I am rather happy with this footage. AF is also pretty impressive. Seems efficient and useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:07 PM, Simon Young said: More autofocus tests with the Z7 and some adapted lenses. Looks promising! Expand This is straight up magic. Simon Young 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:53 PM, Simon Young said: It might sound desperate but I’m praying Nikon doesn’t fuck up with the Z6, crippling it’s continuous autofocus somehow just because it’s the cheaper model. If it’s on par with the Z7, I’ll buy it on release day Expand My fingers are crossed they're just two cameras with two different sensor resolutions, with no surprising crippling of the Z6. I don't think Nikon has done much of the way in "surprise crippling" have they? Look at the D5 vs D500, kinda is two cameras but with different sensors in it. They didn't really hold back on the D500 did they? And that is what I really want to see, a DX mirrorless! Hopefully comes out this summer (or "winter" as you guys call it), as I'd still probably have to wait another 6 months after then for grey market prices to soften. On 9/19/2018 at 11:52 PM, Geoff CB said: This is straight up magic. Expand When the cyclist disappeared between those leaves but it stayed in focus... whoa hansel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ash Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 1:15 AM, IronFilm said: And that is what I really want to see, a DX mirrorless! Hopefully comes out this summer (or "winter" as you guys call it), as I'd still probably have to wait another 6 months after then for grey market prices to soften. Expand Nikon are "overdue" to even give some indication what their future "DX" plan is.They will need something pretty special to even match the video abilities of Fuji's new X-T3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 1:51 AM, Aussie Ash said: Nikon are "overdue" to even give some indication what their future "DX" plan is.They will need something pretty special to even match the video abilities of Fuji's new X-T3. Expand Honestly think they have mostly given up on it. Sensor costs are going down, they don't have the money to spend on developing the DX lenses and FX. It does not benefit them enough financially, especially in a mirrorless body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Nikon would be very very foolish to give up on DX, seeing as that is where the vast bulk of their sales are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ash Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 5:08 AM, IronFilm said: Nikon would be very very foolish to give up on DX, seeing as that is where the vast bulk of their sales are. Expand Nikon have just given the D3400 a huge upgrade ! a better battery and 30 gms lighter so it now gets named D3500. just in time to discount those D3400s for XMas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Exactly! Even if they feel they don't have anything (sad! But oh well) to put in a new D3x00 they still feel compelled to update it to a "new" model! As those Christmas buyers want to buy the "latest" DSLR! Can't have an "old" camera competing against the latest shiny new Rebel from Canon! On 9/20/2018 at 5:51 AM, Aussie Ash said: just in time to discount those D3400s for XMas Expand And yes, gives them an excuse to discount their "old" model! So those extreme bargain hunters have something to latch onto as well. I'll be disappointed though if their next D5x00 doesn't get 4K! Even if just a basic 4K mode like in the D7500 Aussie Ash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:07 PM, Simon Young said: More autofocus tests with the Z7 and some adapted lenses. Looks promising! Expand ? Inazuma and Simon Young 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 1:15 AM, IronFilm said: My fingers are crossed they're just two cameras with two different sensor resolutions, with no surprising crippling of the Z6. I don't think Nikon has done much of the way in "surprise crippling" have they? Look at the D5 vs D500, kinda is two cameras but with different sensors in it. They didn't really hold back on the D500 did they? Expand Other than the sensor, the main difference in between the Z6 & Z7 is the AF system: Z7 has 493 phase detect points vs 273 on the Z6. It would appear on paper that with half the PDAF points, the Z6 AF could be significantly less accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurolov Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 8:14 AM, Django said: Other than the sensor, the main difference in between the Z6 & Z7 is the AF system: Z7 has 493 phase detect points vs 273 on the Z6. It would appear on paper that with half the PDAF points, the Z6 AF could be significantly less accurate. Expand I think it has more to do with acquisition rate and the algorithm than the sheer amount of the points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Also the Z6 doesn't need to do super sharp autofocus for a very high resolution stills sensor, I just need it good enough for the 8MP / 4K portion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Z7 or Z6 without 60p @ 4K (not even through the HDMI port in 2018 ?!) is a complete miss and will be a nonsense in 2019... It has the loveliest 1080p 120fps with flawless AF I've ever seen, though (E : -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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