gethin Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 hours ago, jonpais said: Skin tones are all over the map, from green to yellow to magenta. yeah that opening shot is outside, I wouldn't put too much store in it. SHe's getting blue shadows from the sky, which can also make skin go magenta (the gh5 goes obscenely magenta in this case!) And in the log example she's getting lit from a pink building, with blue sky fill. Where she's in direct sunlight the skin tones look pretty good to my eye, although she has olive skin by the looks of it, which is a flattering tone to start with ? one more thing: my d5300 spoilt me for colour grading. I couldn't believe how much more work I had to do to my gh5 shots. Do I get a nicer image? Of course! Is it infinitely better to shoot with: Dur! But I had about 5 lumetri presets with my D5300 and I could just chuck one of them on, and go:PEACHY!, NEXT! WIth the GH5 I usually go: BLURGH! Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle... I'd love to get back to something approaching that first workflow. And then get a BMPCC4K for special occasions ? Simon Young 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 It’s much easier to get a pass with a flat, desaturated grade like the ones we’ve seen. Once you begin to increase saturation to customary levels, faults (or strengths) become much more apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Lol sorry for the typo, obviously meant f1.8 primes, not f8. @jonpais yeah of course, MTF is quite different from an actual photograph, but they might actually be incredible lenses, as is indicated. To me this is more exciting than an f0.95 or extreme new specs. “The worlds best 50mm” the apo 50 f2, is a summicron, not a summilux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I don’t doubt they’ll be optically excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrubloc Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Z7 video showing some variety and that uses ALL 3 Nikkor Z "S" lenses that will be available initially. https://vimeo.com/286294839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 hours ago, jonpais said: . I think Nikon should release some f/8 primes too! Forget the computer-generated MTF charts: none of the videos released yet convince me the new S line lenses are in any way superior to what I'm seeing with the Sony G or Voigtlanders. You are looking for sharpness in a video, you mean 4k video at best which is 8 megapixel while the z7 can do 45 megapixel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Danyyyel said: You are looking for sharpness in a video, you mean 4k video at best which is 8 megapixel while the z7 can do 45 megapixel... Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 10 hours ago, jonpais said: Skin tones are all over the map, from green to yellow to magenta. Yes, if you watch the video you will see that he used different picture profil, and in the case of the Nlog, he clearly could have underexposed by 1 or 2 stop and prevent the white building from clipping in the background. It Italy in summer and she is in the shadows with a whte building behind. It looks quite good to capture that much DR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 you've lost me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 minute ago, jonpais said: Please explain. It is self explanatory, nearly any 10-20 year lens are at least good enough to resolve a 8 megapixel image (4k video). But those lens will show their true potential in still photography because you have much higher megapixel, is that hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 @Danyyyel I wasn't just talking about resolution; and no, just any lens from the past twenty years is not good enough for 4K video. I've reviewed one or two lenses in my day, and they all have their individual character. And some are sharper than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 In this video, the guy said he used the image right out of the camera without any grading because he wanted to show how the camera worked out of the box. The first time I saw it, I thought that it looked too normal, I meant good but too natural for a music video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, Danyyyel said: Yes, if you watch the video you will see that he used different picture profil, and in the case of the Nlog, he clearly could have underexposed by 1 or 2 stop and prevent the white building from clipping in the background. It Italy in summer and she is in the shadows with a whte building behind. It looks quite good to capture that much DR. Dixie Dixon is a She not a he LoL. She is the blond holding the camera all the time in the video. Dixie Dixon is a Nikon Ambassador, one of 16 I believe. 9 hours ago, jonpais said: The Dixie Dixon video is nice and all, but I'm not seeing anything to write home about as far as skin tones go. Seeing a lot of out-of-focus shots as well. Sony, no color correction in post. I think you Need Cataract Surgery Jon. ? The video looks damn good to me. Oh, and I have had mine removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Dixie Dixon is a She not a he LoL. She is the blond holding the camera all the time in the video. Dixie Dixon is a Nikon Ambassador, one of 16 I believe. I think you Need Cataract Surgery Jon. ? The video looks damn good to me. Oh, and I have had mine removed. He's not referring to the Dixie Dixon video, but the one from Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I'm sure the Canon will sell well, but no IBIS makes it DOA for me. Nikon will have all the bases covered by the end of next year if the lens roadmap becomes a reality. Hopefully we see more of the Z6 soon, I find it far more interesting than the Z7. Next up is Panasonic, but the way they pretend PDAF doesn't exist leaves me a little doubtful about the AF compared to others. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Young said: He's not referring to the Dixie Dixon video, but the one from Italy. Damn if you aren't right. My One good eye Ain't been doing so good lately! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, jonpais said: @Danyyyel I wasn't just talking about resolution; and no, just any lens from the past twenty years is not good enough for 4K video. I've reviewed one or two lenses in my day, and they all have their individual character. And some are sharper than others. MTF and lens resolution are not the end all be all of what makes a good lens or if it has some charater or not. What it is, is a quantifiable measure that can give you a hint that it is good or bad, it is the same as a car that can do 0-60 in less than4 second, you know it must be very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Danyyyel said: MTF and lens resolution are not the end all be all of what makes a good lens or if it has some charater or not. What it is, is a quantifiable measure that can give you a hint that it is good or bad, it is the same as a car that can do 0-60 in less than4 second, you know it must be very fast. If you bothered to read my comment, I said I was not only referring to resolution, though you can certainly see the difference between high res and lo res glass in 4K. The car analogy makes little sense to me BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Optical performance of the new lenses should be fine, especially with the video optimizations. Focus by wire however not a fan of.. and the 3 lenses aren't that exciting, especially compared to Canon's offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Face detect AF speed in video, and some people are calling the z7 a dud for video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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