Vintage Jimothy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 12 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: I'm sure you guys can grade better, but I loved the footage https://vimeo.com/290295765 Whoa nelly, that footage looks gorgeous! Still leaning towards the Fuji X-T3 as far as color science goes, but either camera seems pretty promising to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Low light’s got a lot of noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Remember though it was shot in the middle of the night with only ambient light! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I realize that. I like the clouds in the sky, the trees with the mist in the air, the fellow going for a swim - but I’m not seeing anything extraordinary or magical here. I didn’t see what ISO this was shot at, that would interest me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, jonpais said: A I didn’t see what ISO this was shot at, that would interest me. The night shots are at 8000 ISO as stated in the video. But the kicker is that the day shots were with Nikon flat profile @Geoff CB! Martin writes: “Simon, the night shots are in N-log with Atomos Ninja Inferno. The day shots are in flat profile, captured internally. Rolling shutter I haven’t noticed in these shots, but there surely will be substantial in faster panning - after all it’s a rolling shutter sensor.” Castorp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, jonpais said: I realize that. I like the clouds in the sky, the trees with the mist in the air, the fellow going for a swim - but I’m not seeing anything extraordinary or magical here. I didn’t see what ISO this was shot at, that would interest me. And sharpening algorithm tries to compete with my phone... jonpais 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 When you watch it on a 4K screen, you see a lot of noise in night shots. Watching on a 1080p screen looks much smoother. So, you have to judge through 4K screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, liork said: When you watch it on a 4K screen, you see a lot of noise in night shots. Watching on a 1080p screen looks much smoother. So, you have to judge through 4K screen. It actually looks pretty bad, even the daylight shots. Nothing like what Fuji and Blackmagic are going to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Most final viewing doesn’t happen on a 4K screen. Just as a lot of music listening doesn’t happen on studio monitors. It is filmed in moon light. hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 The noise looks objectionable on my 5K iMac. That and the LG OLED are my daily drivers. Even @anonim‘s night shots with the GH5 looked one hundred times cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Castorp said: Most final viewing doesn’t happen on a 4K screen. Just as a lot of music listening doesn’t happen on studio monitors. It is filmed in moon light. It was shot in ISO 8000 and thats what we judge. And the remarks about "most whatching is done on 1080p" is not relevanat because in the very near future, it will change. jonpais and deezid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, liork said: It was shot in ISO 8000 and thats what we judge. And the remarks about "most whatching is done on 1080p" is not relevanat because in the very near future, it will change. BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, liork said: It was shot in ISO 8000 and thats what we judge. And the remarks about "most whatching is done on 1080p" is not relevanat because in the very near future, it will change. I watched in 1080p and it was still unacceptably noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Castorp said: BS Nikon Fanboy? What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2. Digital looking af. If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Castorp said: BS BS to your eyes. All new TV screens that are sold today in my country (above size 37") are 4K. For me aiming at 1080p is not relevant at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castorp Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, deezid said: Nikon Fanboy? What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2. Digital looking af. If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon. Stop with the name calling please. Most viewing is done on smartphone screens and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It’s so weird that you judge the z6 pre pre pre production footage at 8.000 iso shot with the highly untested n-log profile so harshly. To my eyes it looks a world better than anything I’ve seen from a smaller sensor camera at those sensitivities. Most impressive is the fact that it seems to hold up extremely well with regards to dynamic range and color information even at 8.000. Sure it’s got some noise, but do we even know if the footage was properly exposed according to the n-log gamma curve? Please take a fucking chill pill. I even doubt the BMPCC 4K will match the dynamic range in the day shots. Castorp, Geoff CB and hansel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liork Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Castrop, So why invest in expensive cameras if its only made for phones? deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Castorp said: Stop with the name calling please. Most viewing is done on smartphone screens and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. Sounds like an excuse why the Nikon Z6/Z7 might as well look as smartphone footage with better dynamic range and lowlight (well a bit). Btw. my GH5 looks better at ISO5000 than the Z6 in these examples at ISO8000 with its tiny Mft sensor... 2 minutes ago, Simon Young said: It’s so weird that you judge the z6 pre pre pre production footage at 8.000 iso shot with the highly untested n-log profile so harshly. Because it looks so harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, deezid said: Nikon Fanboy? What Nikon did here is as unimpressive in terms of footage as my phone or Zcam 2. Digital looking af. If you want to do some serious (non-digital looking) film work, Fuji and Blackmagic have way better options coming soon. Just stop. The Fuji will have a problem with waxy skin at ISO above 800 (not very film like) and the Blackmagic looks lackluster to me, extremely digital looking as you call it, from what I’ve seen. And that tiny sensor won’t make anyone happy shooting above 400 ISO. I did own the GH5 and would never ever use it above ISO 800. So please show me some of your ISO 5000 footage that looks so spectacular. hansel and Aussie Ash 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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