Danyyyel Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, BasiliskFilm said: Have they started releasing them into the wild eventually?... https://nikonrumors.com/2018/11/05/nikon-z6-coverage-starts-now.aspx/#more-129207 It seems yes, in the video below he has a sample video starting at ISO 1600 to 12 800 that you can download from a link below the video. I think it is over sharpened a bit, he himself says you should decrease sharpness because at default it is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Jimothy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I have a feeling the Z6 will really shine once companies start making a bunch of adapters for vintage lens mounts to the Z-mount. Pretty sure @Andrew Reid said something similar about his Z7 awhile back when he adapted an older Leica to the camera, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskFilm Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Vintage Jimothy said: I have a feeling the Z6 will really shine once companies start making a bunch of adapters for vintage lens mounts to the Z-mount. Pretty sure @Andrew Reid said something similar about his Z7 awhile back when he adapted an older Leica to the camera, right? I have plenty of AIS/AI lenses that are ready to fit right on the FTZ adaptor, and my 50mm f1.2 will be a lot easier to focus on mirrorless than my DSLR. Novoflex adaptors are ready already for most mounts, and much cheaper ones will be along as soon as demand ramps up. hansel and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Sort of a quick Z6 test from Tony Northrup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Some z6 video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Danyyyel said: This video is muddy. Most detail seems to be lost in noise reduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, sanveer said: This video is muddy. Most detail seems to be lost in noise reduction. What can you expect from youtube. So was filmed between ISO 3200 and 12 800, I guess we will see soon how it behaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 13, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 13, 2018 Z6 in the YouTube title. Z7 on the titles. What to believe. Christ. salim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Ash Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The Art of Photography review of Z6,video evaluation starts at 14.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well I may have misspoke regarding the Nikon mirrorless offerings. The Z6 looks pretty dam good to my eyes. The more I see footage from this camera, the more I like it. Needless to say I ordered one with a selection of lenses to replace the Fuji X-T3’s that I returned. I will add a second body if it pans out. From all I have read build quality is top notch on these cameras. The lack of a handgrip with a shutter release bothered me initially, but I can learn to live without it. The new mount seems most impressive. I understand it has the shortest flange distance of any camera on the market. Low light is very good from the footage I have seen thus far. Perhaps besting the Z7. It looks clean up to 5000 ISO, and honestly I never go beyond this for video. I like the colors... yes... why yes, I do like the colors. Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe we have yet another camera manufacturer that is truly committed to taking video seriously?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Well I may have misspoke regarding the Nikon mirrorless offerings. The Z6 looks pretty dam good to my eyes. The more I see footage from this camera, the more I like it. Needless to say I ordered one with a selection of lenses to replace the Fuji X-T3’s that I returned. I will add a second body if it pans out. From all I have read build quality is top notch on these cameras. The lack of a handgrip with a shutter release bothered me initially, but I can learn to live without it. The new mount seems most impressive. I understand it has the shortest flange distance of any camera on the market. Low light is very good from the footage I have seen thus far. Perhaps besting the Z7. It looks clean up to 5000 ISO, and honestly I never go beyond this for video. I like the colors... yes... why yes, I do like the colors. Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe we have yet another camera manufacturer that is truly committed to taking video seriously?? High ISO footage: IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, DBounce said: Well I may have misspoke regarding the Nikon mirrorless offerings. The Z6 looks pretty dam good to my eyes. The more I see footage from this camera, the more I like it. Needless to say I ordered one with a selection of lenses to replace the Fuji X-T3’s that I returned. I will add a second body if it pans out. From all I have read build quality is top notch on these cameras. The lack of a handgrip with a shutter release bothered me initially, but I can learn to live without it. The new mount seems most impressive. I understand it has the shortest flange distance of any camera on the market. Low light is very good from the footage I have seen thus far. Perhaps besting the Z7. It looks clean up to 5000 ISO, and honestly I never go beyond this for video. I like the colors... yes... why yes, I do like the colors. Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe we have yet another camera manufacturer that is truly committed to taking video seriously?? High ISO footage: Seems to have good iso, dynamic range, color, and auto focus. The face tracking looks to be perfect. The XT3 really needs to improve face tracking, though it is cool that is has it at all in video for the price. Anyways the Nikon definitely looks like a real winner and finally some competition for Sony in the Full frame market. 10 bit out is pretty cool too. I am hearing the IBIS is one of the better ones on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Seems to have good iso, dynamic range, color, and auto focus. The face tracking looks to be perfect. The XT3 really needs to improve face tracking, though it is cool that is has it at all in video for the price. Anyways the Nikon definitely looks like a real winner and finally some competition for Sony in the Full frame market. 10 bit out is pretty cool too. I am hearing the IBIS is one of the better ones on the market. Its refreshing to see manufacturers that aren't holding back to protect their cinema line. I can't see how Sony will not offer 10bit on the A7S3 at this point. Unless they just kill the S as some have suggested. And at this point Canon is looking a little ridiculous for having such an extreme crop in 4k on the Eos R. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Wow that Face Tracking was damn impressive. And a nice Body design. Looks like a winner for the money so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I am very curious about that tiny flange distance. I wonder if it reduces or limits the stops of stabilization possible, especially across the pitch and yaw axis. And especially during walking (Sony does a decent job for stills but a terrible one for walking). I also think walking movements in video should have its own CIPA Ratings (or whoever else measured it) for Stops of Correction for Movement (different from those for Photo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskFilm Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 So now we are getting some confirmation that the Z6 is not going to show up with many nasty surprises we are perhaps in a position to write a tally sheet of the pros and cons of the "affordable" full frame video options as currently presented. Sony A7III vs Nikon z6: Image quality/resolution/dynamic range - similar sensor means there is not a lot to choose here. Colour science/gradeability - lots of people seem to like what Nikon does here, and 10-bit-to-recorder seems an excellent option, for example, green screen shooting. 8 bit Log internal on Sony seems an advantage but Andrew's Zlog seems a work-around there. Single card vs dual card - 2 slots nice to have, but not a deal-breaker for video Auto focus - Nikon, so far, doesn't look disappointing, and demonstrations with adapted f1.4 glass are very encouraging. Eye autofocus is nice, but for video good face AF is probably where we are at. Sony strong here too, so it would be good to have some proper side-by-side tests in tough situations. Usablility - lots of votes coming on the Nikon side, Sony still not "loved" by many for ergonomics, menu systems, button layouts etc. Lens options - for Nikon shooters with a big investment in modern glass this is a no-brainer, as the adaptor seems to be very solid. Otherwise, Sony has the lead by some margin. Ironically the killer choice for budget/weight conscious shooters is the Tamron 28-75mm f2.8. Still not clear whether/when a Z mount version will be available. Still Sony glass is expensive, and F mount glass seems very useable and more available second hand. Stabilisation - does Nikon have the edge here? More stablized lenses for Sony though. EVF and back screen - (assuming this is the same as the Z7) - Nikon seems a clear winner, as Sony economised on both of these. For run-and-gun MF shooting, this may be a biggie. Stills shooting - yes I want to do this too - keeping settings for stills and video separate as the Z series do, seems to make sense. My main question is - can I ditch the DSLR for shooting action/wildlife etc. Anything else that should be added to the list? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yehouda Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 This is a low light test of the Nikon Z6: It seems usable till 25600 ISO but for me 10000 or 12000 ISO is the max without post denoising, just like on Sony A7III. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 anyone here from australia? I know the states are getting deliveries mid november, the only retailer I contacted here was still saying early december Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Didn’t we establish that Nikon does not actually use Sony sensors, rather Sony manufactures Nikon designed sensors for Nikon? This is no different than saying Apple is using TSMC’s chips. While TSMC does manufacture the A12, it is clearly Apples design. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 12 hours ago, sanveer said: I am very curious about that tiny flange distance. I wonder if it reduces or limits the stops of stabilization possible, especially across the pitch and yaw axis. And especially during walking (Sony does a decent job for stills but a terrible one for walking). I also think walking movements in video should have its own CIPA Ratings (or whoever else measured it) for Stops of Correction for Movement (different from those for Photo) It's image stabilisation, not a steady cam. Image stabilisation is for reducing shaking while you are stood still trying to hold the camera as stable as possible. Its to give that extra boost of stabilisation to help you out. It's not there to do the cameraman's job. It always amuses me how people try to test IS by jumping up and down and sloppily walking down the street. How do they expect tiny movements within the image circle of the lens to compensate for such large movements? So silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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