Emanuel Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Attila Bakos said: Can you please upload some untouched N-Log footage? Straight out of the Ninja. Anything works. Not Ninja V, but 4K N-Log sample captured with Inferno (Z7 running firmware 1.0) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgtgezwqaayinb2/Z7 N Log 4k.mov?dl=0 by courtesy of Jeff Curtner cam1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Bakos Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Emanuel said: Not Ninja V, but with Inferno (Z7 running firmware 1.0) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgtgezwqaayinb2/Z7 N Log 4k.mov?dl=0 courtesy by Jeff Curtner Thanks, I already have that one That seems to be the only one available on the net. Something else would be great then @DBounce On a second thought, I would be happy if you could share a short footage shot with the lens cap on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, Attila Bakos said: Thanks, I already have that one That seems to be the only one available on the net. Something else would be great then @DBounce On a second thought, I would be happy if you could share a short footage shot with the lens cap on. Indeed : ) Well-asked request. An effective way to address further inspection on it : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Bakos Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Emanuel said: Well-asked request. An effective way to address further inspection on it : -) I'm developing something for N-Log and I'd like to see where blacks are mapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Bakos Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Interesting results from Slashcam: https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Der-4K-Vollformat-Herausforderer-Nikon-Z6---Bildqualitaet-im-Videomodus.html Among other things, they doubt that it's a full sensor readout in 4K, and also there is a slight crop when using N-Log. Emanuel and cam1982 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Nice example of AF video tracking and use on a gimbal. cam1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskFilm Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I don't see any evidence that the Z6 has inferior video AF to the Z7 - perhaps the extra focus points on the Z7 are helpful in the higher precision required for 42MP stills, but actually for video it is speed and smoothness that are key, and the Z6 seems to have what it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, BasiliskFilm said: I don't see any evidence that the Z6 has inferior video AF to the Z7 - perhaps the extra focus points on the Z7 are helpful in the higher precision required for 42MP stills, but actually for video it is speed and smoothness that are key, and the Z6 seems to have what it takes. I think the video AF is pretty good. Not as good as Canon, but with some consideration to the limitations more than usable. I’ve played with most of the top hybrid contenders and I place this camera in the lead position assuming video is important to you. Stills performance is quite good, AF is acceptable, but given the lineage there remains room for improvement. Perhaps a firmware tweak can improve upon this. An update did greatly benefit the Panasonic GH cameras, so there is hope. Certainly Nikon is less than pleased with reports of their AF underperforming. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Danyyyel said: Nice example of AF video tracking and use on a gimbal. Pretty significant example of posterisation on the jeans from about 1:14. And on the big plant pot to the right. Could that just be the grade? Also I found the whole video quite macro-blocky, though you never know how much of that is down to youtube, im sure I've seen cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Kai, review of the Z6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, DBounce said: I think the video AF is pretty good. Not as good as Canon, but with some consideration to the limitations more than usable. I’ve played with most of the top hybrid contenders and I place this camera in the lead position assuming video is important to you. Stills performance is quite good, AF is acceptable, but given the lineage there remains room for improvement. Perhaps a firmware tweak can improve upon this. An update did greatly benefit the Panasonic GH cameras, so there is hope. Certainly Nikon is less than pleased with reports of their AF underperforming. How does it compare to fuji auto focus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 19 hours ago, MattH said: Pretty significant example of posterisation on the jeans from about 1:14. And on the big plant pot to the right. Could that just be the grade? Also I found the whole video quite macro-blocky, though you never know how much of that is down to youtube, im sure I've seen cleaner. Its is a bit of a stretch I think to judge footage from a camera like posterisation from a youtube clip. Second wedding video from z6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 21 hours ago, MattH said: Pretty significant example of posterisation on the jeans from about 1:14. And on the big plant pot to the right. Could that just be the grade? Also I found the whole video quite macro-blocky, though you never know how much of that is down to youtube, im sure I've seen cleaner. Yeah, I saw that also and thought he must have been pretty heavy handed in post to break the image like that. From my experience the artifacts you see in that video are not represented of the Z6 when graded correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Young Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Get this, ordered the official Nikon lcd protector for the z-series of cameras from Japan. Touch functionality is excellent BUT it’s matte and it muddies the details of the screen like crazy, almost unusable. So don’t go through the troubles of getting it. Another complaint no one has brought up from what I can see: Z6 splits the video files into 4gb chunks. Still. Ridiculous. They should fix this with firmware immediately, just like Fuji will with the x-t3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 19 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said: How does it compare to fuji auto focus? I believe the X-T3 May have an edge in stills AF performance. But I need to do more testing to be certain. Granted, the Nikon does slow me down a bit. I’m used to the 1DXMK2, with its machine gun like AF firing away continuously. With the Nikon it’s two burst shots. I’m inclined to give the nod to the Nikon for video AF. I just haven’t had a lot of time to shoot lately. It does feel less prone to drift. Not that the X-T3 is bad. If not for the issues I had, I would still own it. The Fuji was a lot fun while it worked. Most of these cameras are all so good that I’m not sure it matters so much what body we use. Lighting, sound, camera movement and story are now our focus. Yes 8k is coming... but how many have monitors to display it? Granted you get more detail... but do we really want or need more detail? More often than not, we are seeking ways to soften our image. 30 minutes ago, Simon Young said: Another complaint no one has brought up from what I can see: Z6 splits the video files into 4gb chunks. Still. Ridiculous. They should fix this with firmware immediately, just like Fuji will with the x-t3. I honestly never noticed this as I have yet to really shoot anything meaningful internally. Everything so far has been external to the Ninja V. I’ll have to check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 hours ago, DBounce said: I believe the X-T3 May have an edge in stills AF performance. But I need to do more testing to be certain. Granted, the Nikon does slow me down a bit. I’m used to the 1DXMK2, with its machine gun like AF firing away continuously. With the Nikon it’s two burst shots. I’m inclined to give the nod to the Nikon for video AF. I just haven’t had a lot of time to shoot lately. It does feel less prone to drift. Not that the X-T3 is bad. If not for the issues I had, I would still own it. The Fuji was a lot fun while it worked. Most of these cameras are all so good that I’m not sure it matters so much what body we use. Lighting, sound, camera movement and story are now our focus. Yes 8k is coming... but how many have monitors to display it? Granted you get more detail... but do we really want or need more detail? More often than not, we are seeking ways to soften our image. I honestly never noticed this as I have yet to really shoot anything meaningful internally. Everything so far has been external to the Ninja V. I’ll have to check it out. Yeah only thing that could still see improvements is Dynamic range. I never really cared about 4k let alone 8k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 12:55 PM, Castorp said: U mad bro? Hahahaha oh my god too funny You quoted my honest post to the thread which was about autofocus and wrote something completely unrelated together with your usual shitty smileys. In what way was your message meant to be constructive? Address? Seriously? Hahahaha Get a life. @Emanuel don’t bother answering to this guy. Could have been funny, but he is so retarded it’s actually sad. shooter, cam1982, Mattias Burling and 3 others 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 7:59 AM, Danyyyel said: Nice example of AF video tracking and use on a gimbal Oh my, that macro blocking or whatever it is, is hideous. Never seen that on a camera tbh. Not sure what went wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stathman Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Probably the lut he applied messed up the image and he didn't noticed. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 just finished processing the stills from my first commercial job with this camera. No video yet, but in case there's anyone else on here who will be using it for both, here is my first impression: Wah! Dynamic range, does not keep up with my 6 year old d800 at lowest isos. There is much less highlight detail retained, and you cant push the shadows as far. Much more noise, weird colours creeping in. I can push my d800 five stops and still get a vaguely usable image, not so z6. I really thought a 6 year younger camera would keep up with stills. Sadly my d5500 does a better job of holding onto highlights. ( shadows are a bit gnarly though). More testing needed, I'll do some side-by sides with the d800 and a mate's a7iii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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