Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 31, 2018 Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2018 RF 28-70mm F2 anyone? Read the full article 2xtremecreative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Lets see.. will Sony claim #1 in US sales again? ? IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 31, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2018 Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 They can maintain the flange distance whilst still having a smaller depth of camera if they put the electronics to the side and front of the focal plane., rather than behind it as is the way on most digital cameras. I wonder how price competitive Canon's system will be. One of the issues with Sony is the expensive lenses. $1000 for 55mm f1.8. $600 for 35mm f2.8 (or was it 600 for both?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 31, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2018 Interesting point. Put the sensor as far back into the body as it will physically go. Problem sorted. It wouldn't leave very much room for the circuit board though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 31, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 31, 2018 I did a little poll with my possibly impossible but still, imo, interesting suggestion. +1100 votes with 70% thinking it sounds cool. What if Canon just added a built in optional EVF and called it a day? First let me say that Im pro mirrorless. I use both extensively as anyone that follows me know. And we are taking about Fullframe here, leave Fuji and MFT out of it. In general lenses doesnt get smaller with mirrorless, they get bigger. Its just laws of physics, they just ad extra length to make up for the shorter flange. Unless they have a smaller sensor and/or slower aperture. (They can somewhat get around it with software correction.) So there really isn't any size difference in fullframe worth mentioning once you put on exotic glass. And often it just gets unbalanced in my personal opinion. Ibis, instant focus in liveview with burst and no blackout, peaking, etc, all that exists in similar sized DSLRs today. The only thing really missing is an EVF. Which at the end of the day is just a "pretend" viewfinder, a tiny screen in a hole. I'm thinking something pop-up, like in the X-Pro2/x100f. Then you have a true hybrid with the benefits of both systems like the DSLRs extremely fast AF and OVF, even in dim light. Also, then they can simply keep the EF mount which have exotic f1.2 lenses already. Just a thought, not even sure if its possible Yurolov and 2xtremecreative 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Those two adapters are for PL mount and ND filter. So expect interesting video features from this one. They won't encourage you to put PL lenses on this body if it gives only 8 bit data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 40 minutes ago, Inazuma said: They can maintain the flange distance whilst still having a smaller depth of camera if they put the electronics to the side and front of the focal plane., rather than behind it as is the way on most digital cameras. I wonder how price competitive Canon's system will be. One of the issues with Sony is the expensive lenses. $1000 for 55mm f1.8. $600 for 35mm f2.8 (or was it 600 for both?) Personally, I dont even think this is strictly necessary especially amongst a core target DSLR audience who tenc to actually rather like bigger bodies - look at how excited people have got from Nikon's 'bigger' mirrorless. I happen to like smaller bodies but I still think the inherent advantages of a short flange distance are more myth than reality for 'FF'. If we think that the EF-M flange is 18mm and with the EF mount it is 44mm the difference is 26mm or 1 inch as us Brits like to say. Now look at my A7riii with a 24-105 on it. http://j.mp/2lgszKR Note that the flange itself sticks out a bit and then there is a narrow tube. And if I look at the bottom of the lens I find that the rear element is at least an inch away from where the lens meets the flange. Sure there are some advantages to a short flange distance even with FF - say an ultra-wide zoom - but this is definitely a minority sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Robert Collins said: Sure there are some advantages to a short flange distance even with FF - say an ultra-wide zoom - but this is definitely a minority sport. Doesn't look like a minority report if you check Nikon new S 50mm f/1.8 MTF chart. It gives them more freedom to make a better corrected lens. It makes considerable difference in image quality. Short flange and wide mount is not just "good to have" feature, its necessary for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 31, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, MdB said: Nah. Means Nikon can finally make a decent 50, that’s about it. And its more due to the width of the mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2xtremecreative Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: I did a little poll with my possibly impossible but still, imo, interesting suggestion. +1100 votes with 70% thinking it sounds cool. What if Canon just added a built in optional EVF and called it a day? First let me say that Im pro mirrorless. I use both extensively as anyone that follows me know. And we are taking about Fullframe here, leave Fuji and MFT out of it. In general lenses doesnt get smaller with mirrorless, they get bigger. Its just laws of physics, they just ad extra length to make up for the shorter flange. Unless they have a smaller sensor and/or slower aperture. (They can somewhat get around it with software correction.) So there really isn't any size difference in fullframe worth mentioning once you put on exotic glass. And often it just gets unbalanced in my personal opinion. Ibis, instant focus in liveview with burst and no blackout, peaking, etc, all that exists in similar sized DSLRs today. The only thing really missing is an EVF. Which at the end of the day is just a "pretend" viewfinder, a tiny screen in a hole. I'm thinking something pop-up, like in the X-Pro2/x100f. Then you have a true hybrid with the benefits of both systems like the DSLRs extremely fast AF and OVF, even in dim light. Also, then they can simply keep the EF mount which have exotic f1.2 lenses already. Just a thought, not even sure if its possible To be honest the main reason Im attracted to mirrorless is the EVF. I miss full size bodies and I think you have a great idea. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2xtremecreative Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Here is my perfect camera body ( I’m not a video guy ) 1. Full Frame Sensor 2. Professional grade body both in build quality and size. 3. Evf to view my adjustments real-time 4. 2 storage card slots 5. Long battery life 6. Mirrored or mirrorless doesn’t matter 7. High speed shutter up to 1/8000th 8. Iso starting at 64 9. EF lens mount to accept my great Canon glass 10. Usb-c charging and tethering 11. Price negotiable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2xtremecreative Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: RF 28-70mm F2 anyone? Read the full article If that's a mockup, I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: I did a little poll with my possibly impossible but still, imo, interesting suggestion. +1100 votes with 70% thinking it sounds cool. What if Canon just added a built in optional EVF and called it a day? First let me say that Im pro mirrorless. I use both extensively as anyone that follows me know. And we are taking about Fullframe here, leave Fuji and MFT out of it. In general lenses doesnt get smaller with mirrorless, they get bigger. Its just laws of physics, they just ad extra length to make up for the shorter flange. Unless they have a smaller sensor and/or slower aperture. (They can somewhat get around it with software correction.) So there really isn't any size difference in fullframe worth mentioning once you put on exotic glass. And often it just gets unbalanced in my personal opinion. Ibis, instant focus in liveview with burst and no blackout, peaking, etc, all that exists in similar sized DSLRs today. The only thing really missing is an EVF. Which at the end of the day is just a "pretend" viewfinder, a tiny screen in a hole. I'm thinking something pop-up, like in the X-Pro2/x100f. Then you have a true hybrid with the benefits of both systems like the DSLRs extremely fast AF and OVF, even in dim light. Also, then they can simply keep the EF mount which have exotic f1.2 lenses already. Just a thought, not even sure if its possible I think a hybrid viewfinder would be interesting. Which would need probably two pelicle mirrors. But why would they name the lenses as RF if they aren't making at least some change to the mount. If there is no change there is no reason they wouldn't be called EF. They could potentially have protruding rear elements like some apsc lenses but that could cause confusion and also you would expect them to be called EF-X or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 31, 2018 Super Members Share Posted August 31, 2018 58 minutes ago, MattH said: But why would they name the lenses as RF if they aren't making at least some change to the mount. They probably wouldn't, my post wasn't about the RF, I was going of topic a bit with my own thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanly Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Leaked naming for adapters is "M.ADAP R", "M.ADAP R ND” & “M.ADAP R PL” – looks like camera will have video features ... or at least adapters ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MattH Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 58 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: They probably wouldn't, my post wasn't about the RF, I was going of topic a bit with my own thoughts. I was just thinking out loud along with you. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomesteel Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Hasn't Canon said they won't put 4k in mirrorless because of the C line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Wild guess: the mount could be a more extreme version of EF-S: same backward-compatible mount, but a special pin to prevent forward-compatibility. And then lenses with the RF mount are allowed to have a much deeper rear element, but it won't butt up against the mirror on a dSLR because it can't be mounted on one despite the superficially similar mount and forward-compatibility of the RF, due to the pin... With the new lenses, the rear elements can go much deeper, so the rear element needs to be protected, so there's a deeper plastic ring extending around the rear element, and the lens caps are much deeper, too, to accommodate it. But otherwise it's the same basic shape of the EF mount. Telephoto lenses etc. will never be RF, because they don't need to be. Rear lens caps will not be interchangeable, but RF lens caps will mount on EF lenses, they'll just also extend too far. Wild guess: RF stands for rangefinder, or something similar is implied. Would be nice to see this mount on the FF 6k C300 Mk III when it's released in mid-September. (Another wild guess.) Hoping that'll knock down the price of the C200. ? IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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