Panasonic announcing a full frame camera on Sept. 25???

[eyesuncloudedphoto]

  On 9/21/2018 at 9:19 PM, Mmmbeats said:

I'm guessing then there are no implications for video?  (of pixel-shift)

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Can't see how it can be used for video. It's the same mechanism that does IBIS, by the way

  On 9/21/2018 at 9:27 PM, KnightsFan said:

I wonder if Panasonic will use a <1mm sensor stack like Leica does? If so, some lenses designed for film might have slightly better performance here than on the new Sony/Canon/Nikon.

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I think the big question for all is whether this will be a Sony manufactured sensor or Panasonic will go for a Samsung or Towerjazz design. I find the non-Sony option very exciting. 

[Mattias Burling]

  On 9/21/2018 at 9:11 PM, eyesuncloudedphoto said:

Exactly. I'm on the same boat, and let's not forget Panasonic in general always had a tradition for innovation and very few weaknesses with their cameras. E.g. apart from the sensor limitations (where applicable) and video AF (for the most part, although improved), the GH5/G9 are almost perfect hybrid cameras IMHO. 

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I agree, the G9 is a few tweaks from the perfect hybrid. I don't care about much of the stuff people ask for. A little extra bitrate or a new log profile isn't as important to me as things like Canons way seamless stills to video switch, Panasonics ability to take stills with the mechanical shutter during recording or Fujis "dual menus" for video and stills. These are the type of things I really want. Marketing specs is just icing on the cake.
Panasonic usually delivers both.

Thats why a FF from them gets me very, very excited. 

 

  On 9/21/2018 at 9:11 PM, eyesuncloudedphoto said:

It can do much more: as Hasselblad does, it can also get true color information for each pixel (three different positions) and still produce a "base" resolution image with much improved (accurate) color. 

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Yup, I just tried to give the fast version

[kye]

  On 9/21/2018 at 9:19 PM, Mmmbeats said:

I'm guessing then there are no implications for video?  (of pixel-shift)

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Unlikely as it's combining multiple frames together, so if the subject is moving then it'll be like a worse version of when the de-interlacing isn't done right!

Of course, it kind of depends on how fast it can capture the images. Apple combine multiple exposures in the iPhone cameras to get better low light, so in theory you could build something that attempted it, but we're probably a few tech cycles away of it being good enough to release to the public, and by then we'll have 8K and not need pixel shift to get the resolution, we'll just have more pixels

[PannySVHS]

wowsers, that with zero sharpening and NR, also 10bit in vfr and true hd quality up to 120p and interframe 400mbit for HD 120fps!

[vas]

4k 60p, IBS, clean ISO 6400, 1080 240fps  at high bit rate, and I'm all in.

[Thpriest]

This camera sounds pretty interesting. What would be great is if the new lens system could be adapted to the m43 line through a Panasonic speedbooster with and integrated ND(no idea if that's possible). I think if Panasonic could really integrate the FF, m43 and EVA1 as far as colours,  VLOG recording codecs etc are concerned they'd really dominate the market. Back when I was using the Canon C100 as my main camera I was always frustrated that I couldn't find a good B cam with in the Canon range. I tried the 7D, 700D, 5d mk... and they all looked poor next to the C100 footage. The XC10 just wasn't up to it in lowlight situations. So a FF Panasonic paired with the GH5s/GH5 sounds very interesting. Or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about!!!?

[eyesuncloudedphoto]

  On 9/22/2018 at 10:40 AM, Thpriest said:

This camera sounds pretty interesting. What would be great is if the new lens system could be adapted to the m43 line through a Panasonic speedbooster with and integrated ND(no idea if that's possible).

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Unfortunately, not. The L-mount is 19mm flange distance, while m43 is 19.25mm. The option for a dummy "ring" adapter is certainly feasible, but I'm not optimistic that electronics could be fitted for AF and EXIF. OTOH you never know. 

Extra optical elements or ND integration are out of the question though. What I hope for is an electronic ND filter in the camera (a physical one would again be very hard to implement). 

[Thpriest]

  On 9/22/2018 at 11:03 AM, eyesuncloudedphoto said:

Unfortunately, not. The L-mount is 19mm flange distance, while m43 is 19.25mm. The option for a dummy "ring" adapter is certainly feasible, but I'm not optimistic that electronics could be fitted for AF and EXIF. OTOH you never know. 

Extra optical elements or ND integration are out of the question though. What I hope for is an electronic ND filter in the camera (a physical one would again be very hard to implement). 

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Bummer. Anyway, if the colours and 4k have a similar look and feel (FF vs m43/Speedboster besides) then it still could work as a properly integrated system.

[eyesuncloudedphoto]

  On 9/22/2018 at 11:06 AM, Thpriest said:

Bummer. Anyway, if the colours and 4k have a similar look and feel (FF vs m43/Speedboster besides) then it still could work as a properly integrated system.

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There is a rumor (or is it confirmed already? I don't remember) about a new firmware update coming up for GH5(s)/G9. Could it make color science more consistent among cameras? Can it be done with firmware only or is it too much sensor-specific? 

If Panasonic gives us an updated color science which is more or less the same in their whole line of cameras, they will dominate everything. This and high-performance video AF is their only relative weaknesses against the competition. 

[BTM_Pix]

A version of Aputure's DEC Vari ND with electronic Follow Focus to go from EF to SL would be feasible though. 

[androidlad]

I was told that TowerJazz, a CMOS sensor manufacturer, just signed off a large order with a big client for its FF global shutter sensor, the client is very likely to be Panasonic.

[jonpais]

(L3) Sigma is going ot make an EF to L-mount adapter and also release their current lenses as L-mount

[matthere]

Which mounts can be adapted to the L mount?

[KnightsFan]

  On 9/22/2018 at 3:03 PM, matthere said:

Which mounts can be adapted to the L mount?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance

look at this list. Any lens with a flange distance LONGER than a camera can be adapted with a simple mechanical adapter, but not vice versa. So you can put an ef lens on an l mount, but you can't put an l lens on an Ef mount

so you can adapt f, ef, m42, pl, and many others to l.

whether or not you can electronically control the adapted lens depends on whether the lens protocol is open, or if someone has reverse engineered it.

[kye]

  On 9/22/2018 at 2:27 PM, jonpais said:

(L3) Sigma is going ot make an EF to L-mount adapter and also release their current lenses as L-mount

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That totally makes sense. I think this industry is in a period of rationalisation where the smaller players will die unless they form alliances strong enough to challenge the big players.

Sigma has a native mount but no real share of the camera body market, and they have been making lenses that seem to be (are?) designed to be adaptable.

If the announcement included Sigma saying that all of their FF lenses with convertible lens mounts could be converted to this new mount then they would definitely win the lens availability category against canikon!

I'm not sure what they will release but out of all the rumours this year I'm optimistic that they'll deliver a larger percentage of what is technically possible and what we want than the other manufacturers attempts.

[KnightsFan]

  On 9/22/2018 at 2:27 PM, jonpais said:

(L3) Sigma is going ot make an EF to L-mount adapter and also release their current lenses as L-mount

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Not surprised! It would be nice if they took a note out of Canon's playbook, and included a rear filter slot and/or electronic ring on the adapter.

 

[arson519]

this news is making want to me sell all my sony ff gear ASAP 

Im Ready

[Rinad Amir]

I really hope the new FF GH model will have full Log curve instead of lite

[deezid]

  On 9/22/2018 at 10:55 PM, Rinad Amir said:

I really hope the new FF GH model will have full Log curve instead of lite

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And finally V-Gamut compatible and no sharpening (like the EVA-1). but who knows...

[thebrothersthre3]

Hmm global shutter will probably mean subpar dynamic range and low light.

No rolling shutter would be great for weddings though, no half screen flashes from the rolling shutter.