frontfocus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 @Kisaha I am not too familiar with the CN-E lineup, but is there one with constant t/2.8 since that is what thephoenix wants. Of course the price shouldn't be above what a photographic lens costs it seems ? Personally, if I go for a zoom, I want very little focus breathing and a parfocal lens. Otherwise it's just a bag of slow primes. @thephoenix yes, I actually buy or rent equipment and test it myself. Not just once did my own experience vary from what was reported online. But it seems you realized, if you want a f/2.8 16-xx mm OIS lens, Fuji doesn't have one for you and doesn't seem interested in producing one. As for primes, I don't expect to see OIS in any of them, except macro and tele lenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, frontfocus said: @thephoenix yes, I actually buy or rent equipment and test it myself. Not just once did my own experience vary from what was reported online. But it seems you realized, if you want a f/2.8 16-xx mm OIS lens, Fuji doesn't have one for you and doesn't seem interested in producing one. As for primes, I don't expect to see OIS in any of them, except macro and tele lenses. lucky you here in france try finding a kipon ef-fx to rent ? i don't even think anyone would know what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Kisaha said: MK lenses are excellent, but Canon offers the cheap CN-E with full auto (coupled with the admittedly excellent dual pixel AF) and a few stabilization options, plus in built power zoom and extra handle if anyone wishes. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/889683-REG/Canon_CN_E15_5_47mm_T2_8_L_S_SP.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/889684-REG/Canon_CN_E30_105mm_T2_8_L_S_SP.html Neither of them have the same useful range that the Fujinon 18-55 has! (although I suppose you could try to argue it isn't too far off? Perhaps) However, they're both much much much MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE!!! https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1246187-REG/canon_1714c002_cn_e_18_80mm_t4_4_compact_servo.html Waaaay slower! Over a stop slower. Not that it is a bad choice in a lens, it is very appealing for sure, but it won't cut it if a person wants T2.9 5 hours ago, Kisaha said: Sony offers the ultra cheap 18-110mm 4f that we use a lot, even in popular TV series shot with the FS7ii. Same problem. Big difference for some people between T2.9 and F4 frontfocus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, IronFilm said: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/889683-REG/Canon_CN_E15_5_47mm_T2_8_L_S_SP.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/889684-REG/Canon_CN_E30_105mm_T2_8_L_S_SP.html Neither of them have the same useful range that the Fujinon 18-55 has! (although I suppose you could try to argue it isn't too far off? Perhaps) However, they're both much much much MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE!!! https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1246187-REG/canon_1714c002_cn_e_18_80mm_t4_4_compact_servo.html Waaaay slower! Over a stop slower. Not that it is a bad choice in a lens, it is very appealing for sure, but it won't cut it if a person wants T2.9 Same problem. Big difference for some people between T2.9 and F4 I was referring to the 18-80/70-200. The expensive CN-E lenses are a completely different league with other similarly priced lenses. Real life is a lot different than specs. We use a lot of these lenses with C100mkii/C300mkii and FS5/FS7, I haven't even see an MK lens yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Maybe he is talking about This 18-55mm LoL. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883530-REG/Fujifilm_XF_18_55mm_f_2_8_4_OIS.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frontfocus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Maybe he is talking about This 18-55mm LoL. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883530-REG/Fujifilm_XF_18_55mm_f_2_8_4_OIS.html that's actually a great lens. For the 300$/400$ they charge for it as a kit lens, it's a bargain. But the requirement was constant f/2.8 so the 18-55mm seems no good. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 You can get the 18-55 used for $250, which is a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I am thinking getting the sigma 17-50 2.8 Stabilized with canon mount and use It with the fringer. It comes really cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, thephoenix said: I am thinking getting the sigma 17-50 2.8 Stabilized with canon mount and use It with the fringer. It comes really cheap. As long as you don't need reliable auto focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: As long as you don't need reliable auto focus. Hmmm heard it is loud but is it not reliable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, thephoenix said: Hmmm heard it is loud but is it not reliable ? Not compared to fuji lenses. Accurate may not be the right word, but speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrickian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, thephoenix said: I am thinking getting the sigma 17-50 2.8 Stabilized with canon mount and use It with the fringer. It comes really cheap. The focus throw is terrible for video on this lens. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Sure It has nothing to do with fuji af. Would probably need to use It manual but It has stabilization and 2.8 Might answer my needs for handheld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Bakos Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, thephoenix said: Sure It has nothing to do with fuji af. Would probably need to use It manual but It has stabilization and 2.8 Might answer my needs for handheld Not sure if it matters to you, but the body corrects for CA, vignetting, and distortion when you use the Fuji lens. You won't have that with the 17-50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Attila Bakos said: Not sure if it matters to you, but the body corrects for CA, vignetting, and distortion when you use the Fuji lens. You won't have that with the 17-50. well in a perfect world i would like to have that but hey i have to compromise i was looking for a lense that i can use handheld which means stabilized so no fuji for me as the 18-55 doesn't suits me because of its apertures of 4. there is also the fact that i am not really ready to get expensive fuji lenses when i have other cameras such as the bmpcc4k on which i won't be able to use any of the fuji lenses because no adapter exist for X to m43 so i stick with canon mount which is far more versatile than fuji of course i will have to use adapters. maybe i will get a fuji lenses in the future but i have to see what i really need with this camera and start using more. the 17-50 will be used with the bm too as af is not a subject when it comes to this camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frontfocus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 9 hours ago, thephoenix said: because no adapter exist for X to m43 yes. that's due to the short flange distance. Same is true for Sony FE, Nikon Z and (though close) Canon Rf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 11:16 AM, frontfocus said: @Kisaha I am not too familiar with the CN-E lineup, but is there one with constant t/2.8 since that is what thephoenix wants. Of course the price shouldn't be above what a photographic lens costs it seems ? Personally, if I go for a zoom, I want very little focus breathing and a parfocal lens. Otherwise it's just a bag of slow primes. that is why you buy a cine lens.parfocal n no focus breathing, plus optimized for video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frontfocus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kisaha said: that is why you buy a cine lens.parfocal n no focus breathing, plus optimized for video. yeah. That's why I said that there is always the possibility of getting the MKX 18-55mm t/2.9 Lovely lens, but people have different interests and I respect that thephoenix wants autofocus and stabilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, frontfocus said: yeah. That's why I said that there is always the possibility of getting the MKX 18-55mm t/2.9 Lovely lens, but people have different interests and I respect that thephoenix wants autofocus and stabilization. Which the cheap Canon CN-E 18-80/70-200 and the Sony 18-110mm do have, being also parfocal and have no focus breathing. These lenses are huge selling points for they respected ecosystems (the cheap CN-E are so "succesful", that people put them on Sony, BM and Panasonic cameras). X-T3 is amazing (in specs at least) but it lacks a lot of lenses that a modern videomaker (and I am talking video here) would find useful. It is just, so many people came from photography, or they are the 5DmkII generation, and focus breathing, parfocal-ness and motor zooms do not mean anything to them. They believe only in shallow depth of field. The announced 16-80mm 4f could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frontfocus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 You got the Sony at home? i only tried it once soon after it came out and it felt, as if the parfocality was done by correcting focus and not by optical design. Yes, 16-80mm f/4.0 looks interesting. As long as people don‘t demand f/2.8 that is ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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