Photokina 2018 Part 1: Panasonic S1 and S1R full frame 4K/60p and Fujifilm GFX 100MP 4K Medium Format. WOW!

[Andrew Reid]

This will be a short part 1, as I am about to get on my way from Berlin to Cologne to see all the new stuff at Photokina for myself! It's been a mammoth few weeks for camera announcements and these two top them all.

First from Panasonic we have the first ever full frame cameras to shoot 4K/60p, beating Sony to the punch. Their A7S III is STILL not yet announced. The Panasonic S1 and S1R are probably why! For video they beat every full frame camera past, present and future!

Second we have the Fujifilm GFX 100MP development announcement, which will be a 2019 $10,000 medium format mirrorless camera. They also have a cheaper 50R "rangefinder" style GFX body at the show ($4500) but that is 1080p only like the GFX 50S it's based on. It is the 100 megapixel one I am really interested in.

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[ajay]

Andrew...See if you can find out why they have gone to a triaxial moveable screen and not a full articulating screen. This seems really bizarre. Seems others like Fuji who had the fully articulating screen went to some flippy thing too. WHY? Is it acting as some form of heat sync or something? I really like the fully articulating screens but can't understand why all new cameras don't come with this feature, especially when older models had this feature. Very frustrating.

[Adam Kuźniar]

4 minutes ago, ajay said:

Andrew...See if you can find out why they have gone to a triaxial moveable screen and not a full articulating screen. This seems really bizarre. Seems others like Fuji who had the fully articulating screen went to some flippy thing too. WHY? Is it acting as some form of heat sync or something? I really like the fully articulating screens but can't understand why all new cameras don't come with this feature, especially when older models had this feature. Very frustrating.

It's exactly the number one reason I'm skipping a7s2, a73, x-t3, bmpcc4k and now the Panasonic S1r. It's just dumbfounding to me.

[Robert Collins]

Arent you confusing sensor sizes here when you say ' It appears to have the amazing Sony 100MP CMOS sensor we last saw in the Hasselblad H6D 100C'? The Fuji GFX series has 44 x 33mm sensor size which is sort of 'mini medium format' with about half a stop and 20% extra resolution than FF while the Hasselblad H6D uses a 54 x 40mm sensor which is well over a stop larger than FF.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

4 minutes ago, ajay said:

Andrew...See if you can find out why they have gone to a triaxial moveable screen and not a full articulating screen. This seems really bizarre. Seems others like Fuji who had the fully articulating screen went to some flippy thing too. WHY? Is it acting as some form of heat sync or something? I really like the fully articulating screens but can't understand why all new cameras don't come with this feature, especially when older models had this feature. Very frustrating.

Depends on taste - from a hybrid (not video focused) point of view this approach (for me) is much more appealing. Tilt screens are better for stills - less fiddling, faster to deploy, better for waist shots. For video, is ok too (not so much for some rigs or gimbal).  And if you need a front LCD view for vlogging, you are covered too.

[Adam Kuźniar]

8 minutes ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Depends on taste - from a hybrid (not video focused) point of view this approach (for me) is much more appealing. Tilt screens are better for stills - less fiddling, faster to deploy, better for waist shots. For video, is ok too (not so much for some rigs or gimbal).  And if you need a front LCD view for vlogging, you are covered too.

No you're not. You can't see yourself with that hinge design.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

5 minutes ago, Adam Kuźniar said:

No you're not. You can't see yourself with that hinge design.

Yes you could, if it is the same hinge as the Fuji XT-100, as some reported.

[Nodnarb]

Panasonic's decision to stick with contrast detect AF is disappointing IMO, especially when you consider how good the video autofocus is on the Nikon Z7, the latest Fuji and Sony Cams, and of course Canon's Dual Pixel AF.

 

[sam rides a mtb]

Actually looks like it may swing and tilt (just not sure it swings into selfie mode) https://www.slashcam.de/images/news/PanasonicS1R_display-14634_PIC3.jpg

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

1 minute ago, sam rides a mtb said:

Actually looks like it may swing and tilt (jusr not sure it swings into selfie mode) https://www.slashcam.de/images/news/PanasonicS1R_display-14634_PIC3.jpg

Then they gone for a XT-2/3 hinge style. In this case @Adam Kuźniar is right, and is a very bad LCD hinge for video indeed.

[heart0less]

Some more real photos (cheers to my polish mates):

https://www.optyczne.pl/12894-news-Aparaty_i_obiektywy_Panasonic_LUMIX_S_zza_szyby.html

[CyclingBen]

GFX 100s has 10 bit 4K at 24 and 30fps.  No word on slo-mo or 60fps in 1080.  The Panasonic cameras look great and with Leica also announcing a 4k medium format camera with 4K 30fps in L Mount puts Panasonic/Leica and Fuji in the driver seat for the next format war. 2019 is going to be the friendly matches between these 2 (3?) to prove the bodies are good enough and 2020 will be when the real matches begin with all of that great glass coming out. 

[Andrew Reid]

Maybe there will be a video orientated SH1?

Or maybe a T version for "Tilt screen.

Although if they call it the SH1T, it wouldn't translate well.

In fact I'm calling it now... SH1...you heard it here first ?

[keessie65]

1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:

In fact I'm calling it now... SH1...you heard it here first ?

carefull, SH1..t  ?

[ajay]

Andrew...If you could find out about an adapter for this camera for Canon lenses? (Sigma was rumored to be working on one.) Would it be as functional as the MC-11 is for Sony?

[leeys]

2 hours ago, ajay said:

Andrew...See if you can find out why they have gone to a triaxial moveable screen and not a full articulating screen. This seems really bizarre. Seems others like Fuji who had the fully articulating screen went to some flippy thing too. WHY? Is it acting as some form of heat sync or something? I really like the fully articulating screens but can't understand why all new cameras don't come with this feature, especially when older models had this feature. Very frustrating.

As for the why, go to any photography forum and you can find that 80% of the old men (it's almost always old men) hate the swivel screen.

[mkabi]

 

I'm so interested in the GFX 100S....

I may have to wait till 2021 to get it, but lets see the other specs are too....

 

 

[Mattias Burling]

And.... This! 

https://www.l-rumors.com/kazuto-yamaki-confirms-sigma-is-going-to-make-a-full-frame-l-mount-camera-with-foveon-sensor/ 

[mkabi]

You know what.... at this point, even if Sony put out an a7S3... its like... oh ok... another contender that has caught up to the benchmark that Panasonic is setting.

In fact, I would even say that Fuji is really setting the bar here... just when Panasonic goes FF.... oh yeah? MF is really the direction the industry is going ?

[Borbarad]

57 minutes ago, leeys said:

As for the why, go to any photography forum and you can find that 80% of the old men (it's almost always old men) hate the swivel screen.

 Nope. For Photography a swivel screen isn’t aus useful as a tilt. A Tilt acts as a  tunnel viewfinder and that is freakingly useful. 

Video is differently. But as I’m not blogging I’m happy with the S1!

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