Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 5, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 5, 2018 It's been noticed in the back-end of the site that some new users are joining in order to future the agendas of PR and marketing at some companies. It's a tricky area for me to deal with, but I'll get some advice on how to better detect it and prevent it from happening in the future. Whilst I know it is happening, the evidence as to what exact company is responsible for which posts isn't solid enough yet to go naming them. But rest assured if I do find out, they will be named and shamed on the front page of EOSHD. Simon Young, noone, Emanuel and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Inazuma Posted October 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2018 That's great Andrew. By the way have you heard of the Canon EOS R? I've been trying it all weekend and it's just fantastic! Vintage Jimothy, jonpais, kye and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 5, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 5, 2018 Yeah WHAT A GREAT CAMERA! A total steal at just $2400! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Yeah WHAT A GREAT CAMERA! A total steal at just $2400! And only $3000 for the 28-70mm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Interesting topic. I remember a little while back a 'new poster' wrote a post about a DJI drone - great drone, really fantastic, you can buy one here. Now when you buy a DJI drone, you register your drone with DJI. And I suspect that 'anyone' who registers with DJI gets approached to be an affiliate. (I certainly did.) And the affiliate plan is reasonably attractive - 4% of any purchase through your affiliate link. Admittedly I cant be bothered but I bet others find the offer potentially attractive (say if you are a student.) So maybe what you are seeing is not 'plants'. Camera companies are just spending their marketing dollars differently. Bribing youtubers with jamborees and early access to new product. And mobilizing their customer base through affiliate links.[ Cinegain and Kisaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I'm no lawyer but maybe they are breaking the law if you are based in Germany, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleichwerbung I think professional posters should be marked with a distinctive, and they would have to pay you for every post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 5, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 5, 2018 I think it would be against UK and US law as well not to mark it as sponsored content. If these posters / companies own up now and come out of the closet, I'll consider the matter closed. If not, there will be hell to pay. Vintage Jimothy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 5, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 5, 2018 A lot of it is laughably blatant. Whatever happened to subtly and subliminally pushing your brand at people? Anyway, I'm just going to have this cup of coffee and watch this develop with a keen interest. kaylee, Andrew Reid, iamoui and 3 others 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 5, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 5, 2018 Me too! iamoui, Vintage Jimothy, BTM_Pix and 4 others 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: A lot of it is laughably blatant. Whatever happened to subtly and subliminally pushing your brand at people? Anyway, I'm just going to have this cup of coffee and watch this develop with a keen interest. Yep..... bring back Ashton Kutcher..... BTM_Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: It's been noticed in the back-end of the site that some new users are joining in order to future the agendas of PR and marketing at some companies. It's a tricky area for me to deal with, but I'll get some advice on how to better detect it and prevent it from happening in the future. Whilst I know it is happening, the evidence as to what exact company is responsible for which posts isn't solid enough yet to go naming them. But rest assured if I do find out, they will be named and shamed on the front page of EOSHD. Let´s get rid of all of them!!!!!!....I want to see BLOOD..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Did you guys know the upcoming RED Hydrogen camera module is the best camera in the world? Throw away your other cameras! P.s I’ve got one spare, but I’ll only take payment through Western Union. Love from the 63 year old version of me. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanAlexander Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Yeah WHAT A GREAT CAMERA! A total steal at just $2400! Yes but it's Canon getting away with the theft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: I think it would be against UK and US law as well not to mark it as sponsored content. If these posters / companies own up now and come out of the closet, I'll consider the matter closed. If not, there will be hell to pay. I don't think it would be illegal for employees/agents to be voicing their opinion, provided that they were not being paid or directed to do so, at least in the US. Any attempt to legislate against that would be a violation of 1st amendment rights. I don't know about the UK or Germany, they might not protect free speech there, I am not familiar with their laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 5, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 5, 2018 As long as the DJI and Blackmagic employees do it under their own (real) names and logos, I'm fine with it. Pretending to be customers, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 5, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 5, 2018 Whatever the legalities of it are, it is, as we say where I'm from, a shithouse trick and one that will hopefully be remembered long after whatever product they're shilling has been discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 I would like to see peter m disclose his canon payments once. The 6d ii & the eos r promotion; saying he is going to use it all the time, then still just uses the 1dx ii. Makes you wonder, maybe canada doesn't have laws requiring you to disclose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, Snowbro said: I would like to see peter m disclose his canon payments once. The 6d ii & the eos r promotion; saying he is going to use it all the time, then still just uses the 1dx ii. Makes you wonder, maybe canada doesn't have laws requiring you to disclose? YT requires you to disclose if a video contains a promotion - I'm sure there's a definition behind that and I'd be surprised if Peter wasn't making sure to meet that criteria, considering that his YT channel is the cornerstone of his income and PR. It would be interesting to understand the full picture though. Having good friends in a company wouldn't be included in that tick-box, neither would being able to borrow equipment for free, or borrow equipment before the stores get it in stock probably either. We didn't used to blend business with personal relationships, or if we did it was in a way that was understood (eg, if you were in purchasing and everyone knew you were taking kick-backs), but it's now much more difficult to sort out who is sufficiently impartial to tell the whole truth, who tells enough of the truth to be useful, and who will mislead you. We're in tricky territory unfortunately. I heard that kids are pretty good at judging authenticity and apparently do it really fast. I think it's a skill that we all need to further develop. 7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: As long as the DJI and Blackmagic employees do it under their own (real) names and logos, I'm fine with it. Pretending to be customers, not so much. Agreed. Trust is about disclosure. Thanks for your efforts and keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 The ones I don't get are those who "MUST" be paid to bash OTHER brands. Dunno if there are any here but some places seem to have lots of them. I just can not believe so many people are hating a company so much just for making something they don't want to use that they have to tell the world about it endlessly to put others off buying- as a hobby??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, kye said: YT requires you to disclose if a video contains a promotion - I'm sure there's a definition behind that and I'd be surprised if Peter wasn't making sure to meet that criteria, considering that his YT channel is the cornerstone of his income and PR. It would be interesting to understand the full picture though. Having good friends in a company wouldn't be included in that tick-box, neither would being able to borrow equipment for free, or borrow equipment before the stores get it in stock probably either. We didn't used to blend business with personal relationships, or if we did it was in a way that was understood (eg, if you were in purchasing and everyone knew you were taking kick-backs), but it's now much more difficult to sort out who is sufficiently impartial to tell the whole truth, who tells enough of the truth to be useful, and who will mislead you. We're in tricky territory unfortunately. I heard that kids are pretty good at judging authenticity and apparently do it really fast. I think it's a skill that we all need to further develop. Agreed. Trust is about disclosure. Thanks for your efforts and keep us updated. you can turn your tv on too any current affairs program or news program and see that people are exploiting or bullying (or insert favourite rant here) one another in every aspect of life it aint just the forum. hence vigilance is required no more no less than out there in the real world. 6 minutes ago, noone said: The ones I don't get are those who "MUST" be paid to bash OTHER brands. Dunno if there are any here but some places seem to have lots of them. I just can not believe so many people are hating a company so much just for making something they don't want to use that they have to tell the world about it endlessly to put others off buying- as a hobby??? i'm pretty sure nearly everyone has bought a lemon of some product that should have been a peach at some point in their lives. seems to me that some people never get over it and consider it their civic duty to go out on a limb to bash said manufacturer till eternity, small minds too much time on their hands perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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