Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 26, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Shirozina said: There is a basic error in the article regarding 8bit in video - it's not RGB it's YCbCr which means the tonal graduation is much more than 256 steps and the gamut is not 16million colours. What’s with the RGB Luma range in the menus of the NX1 then? That’s 0-255 I think YCbCr is just an HDMI thing and it’s really an RGB image at the core Also betting some so called 10bit cameras do an 8bit sensor readout like with the GH4 10bit HDMI, there was no advantage to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 26, 2018 Super Members Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Maybe I can Well, after finally putting a card in it and doing some shooting, my advice would be that if you venture outdoors with it, take an EVF or run the risk of having to buy a neck brace on the way home. On the upside if you get caught it in a downpour, put the camera in record for 5 minutes and you will have a very functional hand warmer and hairdryer combo. webrunner5, hansel, Mark Romero 2 and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Roveri Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Maybe I can Awesome stuff! Looking forward to hear your impressions mate, unfortunately i haven't had enough time to play with mine but I love it so far! (just make sure you have enough batteries with you!) ? ps. FilmConvert also just released the camera pack for the BBMPCC4K, result! Cas1 and Mark Romero 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 26, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2018 The slight catch is that the camera is at my girlfriend's in Berlin! I won't get it until Tuesday or Wednesday next week. That gives me at least 4 days to stitch a nice rain jacket for it. Or maybe a small umbrella that attaches to the hotshoe? hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Roveri Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: The slight catch is that the camera is at my girlfriend's in Berlin! I won't get it until Tuesday or Wednesday next week. That gives me at least 4 days to stitch a nice rain jacket for it. Or maybe a small umbrella that attaches to the hotshoe? Ahah, the hotshoe umbrella it's quite a cool idea! ? Kidding aside you should be fine covering the camera as the two top exhausts are only passive and doesn't seem to give out a lot of heat, the active is the one at the bottom (and that one gets quite warm!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: What’s with the RGB Luma range in the menus of the NX1 then? That’s 0-255 I think YCbCr is just an HDMI thing and it’s really an RGB image at the core Also betting some so called 10bit cameras do an 8bit sensor readout like with the GH4 10bit HDMI, there was no advantage to be had. It's RGB from the sensor but then it's processed into YCbCr for the codec but don't take my word for it - do some research on video camera output formats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 26, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2018 It's just an encoding mathematics formula. It doesn't suddenly mean you get more colour luminance levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Romero 2 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Maybe I can I thought you weren't going to get one... TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Deadcode said: Probably there IS a difference between N-Log and Flat, just like with the Sonys. Cine 4 has 2 stops narrower dynamic range compared to SLOG2 I think middle grey should be exposed to the same level. If we expose for the highlights it's much harder match the shots in post. For sure about middle gray, but as in this test it wasn't at least the highlight can be use in reference because as said before the z7 10 bit log file shadaows are completely crushed. As I said before at least compared to the A73 the z7 is completely underexposed, you can clearly see it in the bulb or any other highlight like the piano keys. I finally dwas able to download the vimeo high bitrate one and tried to match highlight in light-room as it is only software I know which has ev slider (If someone knows how to do it in Davinci). As I presume before, it was clearly at least a stop more underexposed. I don't know what it would do for the shadows, how much would be able to recover but it won't be as crushed as now. I would hope Andres Reid would at least do this one for the test because their is no blame from me as it is a completely new camera and its optimum exposure/settings etc will take a little time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keessie65 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just curious how the NX1 compared to X-T3 and the other ones.... My 'old' camera does still a good job IMO. Beritar and Kisaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 The Nikon and Canon seemed to have less highlight retention then the A73, XT3, and GH5S. The A73 definitely held highlights best though by a small margin. It seems like the best way to see how much 10 bit makes a difference is to do a dramatic color grade across all cameras and see if the XT3 and GH5S come out on top. I have already seen comparison's between a GH5 and A7S2 with a heavy color grade and the GH5 held together significantly better. TurboRat, leobauberger and Lux Shots 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Mark Romero 2 said: I thought you weren't going to get one... its all good, if the girlfriend gets one. who can say if it was her idea or not to purchase one, finally andrew gets his hands on a camera that he was dead set against , albeit in a round about way. personally i'm a bit jealous, i'm still waiting for mine ? the positive thing to take away from this is that the girlfriend has excellent taste in cinema cameras ? Mark Romero 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 7:39 PM, Andrew Reid said: the synth control panel A-HA!!! i knew it!!! see youve got a keyboard, just listen to Kid A and then record some stuff Cas1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 N-log with +1 overexpose would be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Sorry yes it's 256 levels but in Y'CbCr most of the bitrate is used for the Luma (Y) channel so for any situation where the bitrate is limited it's better than RGB as our eyes are least sensitive to missing color information vs missing tonal information. 8 bit is not 'that' bad as long as it's stored in a low compression codec. 8bit RGB can support 16million colours but 8bit Y'CbCr can't as explained above - the colour info is dramatically cut esp with 4.2.0 codecs so even though it may have a large gamut ( the size of the colour space) there are missing or interpolated areas within it. Likley why we have so much bother with skin tones which our eyes are very sensitive to. With RAW which is RGB you do get the full colour data from the sensor and this is one advantage over 4.2.2 and 4.2.0 Y'CbCr codecs which should be evident in any P4k ProRes vs RAW tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Maybe I can @Andrew Reid wanna get rid of the studio dongle... it will significantly reduce shipping costs to the midlands ?. Also It saves me from getting the besotted p4k. Will pick up and pay cash ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 27, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2018 Sorry too late it's on the way! How much are the Resolve Studio dongles worth on eBay BTW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 4:03 PM, Andrew Reid said: Maybe I can From your own pocket, right? Those guys have no proper business sense. Nonprofessional from their side to say the least IMO (E : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 27, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2018 Yes from my own pocket, but back into my own pocket from eBay if it doesn't live up to expectations vs my other cameras including X-T3 Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Looks like they start from 130€ license code or dongle no idea if it’s legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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