The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K unboxed and first impressions - Best indie RAW camera yet?

[webrunner5]

2 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

Will that support the pocket though? 3lb load. If it does, and has some kind of follow focus, it's a winner.

It should. It supports...Load Capacity 6.61 lb / 3 kg

[Anaconda_]

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

It should. It supports...Load Capacity 6.61 lb / 3 kg

Oh shoot, I misread the specs and though it said 3lb. 

[webrunner5]

6 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

Oh shoot, I misread the specs and though it said 3lb. 

It has some kind of Mechanical Follow focus also. So it Should work with the PK4? It looks like a really interesting Gimbal.

[Shirozina]

37 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

600 bucks.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1430269-REG/zhiyun_tech_weebill_lab_handheld_stabilizer.html

Very interesting....

[webrunner5]

5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

It has some kind of Mechanical Follow focus also. So it Should work with the PK4? It looks like a really interesting Gimbal.

But from this picture it does not look like it may be wide enough for the PK4??

 

[A_Urquhart]

Well written Andrew. 

Just out of interest, when using my Speedbooster XL and Canon 24-105 f4, The P4K displays the max apurture as f2.7. Also, when using my Canon 1.8 primes, the max apurture displays as f1.2 with the Speedbooster XL.

I know some people have commented they want a Full Frame pocket 4K but I think that the MFT sensor is one of it's biggest strengths and extremely versatile. As you say, a crop of only 1.2 when used with a speedbooserXL and great lowlight performance with it's combination of speed booster light magnification and great sensor. 

 

[Anaconda_]

The follow focus is an extra, but €79 here, so defientely managable.

The Ronin S is also not wide enough, but they include an extra mounting plate to offset the camera. I doubt there's any reason you can't do the same with this little thing. 

Due out in a week or so - I'll hold fire on my purchases and see if other people can get it balanced.

[ND64]

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

While C100 and C300 dominated the market for years, FS5 and FS7 cameras have been the norm in most productions I am working lately,

What lenses they use on FS5?

[Emanuel]

1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

But from this picture it does not look like it may be wide enough for the PK4??

 

Pertinent question indeed, Don : -)

[Kisaha]

1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said:

What lenses they use on FS5?

From those silly/cheap/fake Sony zoom lenses (which work well, with everything corrected in-camera) to Zeiss primes.

The most successful cameras these days must be the FS7i and ii though. Most TV series are using those. In the one I am working currently for a major network (doing sound), we have 2x2 FS7ii with the latest Sony 18-110mm. 

One of the biggest productions here is using C300mkII with the Canon primes, but Sony dominates right now.

I have to add that I prefer working with Canon C cameras (ergonomics, menu, skin tones) but most production companies buy Sony.

[tweak]

7 hours ago, Shirozina said:

Such as?

I'm not saying it's a bad camera, quite the opposite, but for my line of work I need something else.

Things I'd ideally like -
1. I need it to be sealed enough to shoot at a beach (that's where I do my work), exposed fan intake is a big no go.
2. Ibis would help a ton, although I could live without it.
3. I'd like 4:3 mode.
4. Anamorphic de-squeeze if possible.
5. Tilt or flip screen for filming fisheye low down.
6. Form factor I could fit in my existing Aquatech housing if possible (same one I use for 7D, 5D, GH5, EOS elan7e).

Those are a few of the things I can think of. I don't even need a 5D styled body, I could live without that part if they added the other things. I'd pay an extra 1000AUD for such features.

[webrunner5]

2 minutes ago, tweak said:

I'm not saying it's a bad camera, quite the opposite, but for my line of work I need something else.

Things I'd ideally like -
1. I need it to be sealed enough to shoot at a beach (that's where I do my work), exposed fan intake is a big no go.
2. Ibis would help a ton, although I could live without it.
3. I'd like 4:3 mode.
4. Anamorphic de-squeeze if possible.
5. Tilt or flip screen for filming fisheye low down.
6. Form factor I could fit in my existing Aquatech housing if possible (same one I use for 7D, 5D, GH5, EOS elan7e).

Those are a few of the things I can think of. I don't even need a 5D styled body, I could live without that part if they added the other things. I'd pay an extra 1000AUD for such features.

Sounds like you Need a GH5 or a GH5s. Nothing wrong with that.

[tweak]

1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:

Sounds like you Need a GH5 or a GH5s. Nothing wrong with that.

Already have one  . But I like Raw.

[webrunner5]

Just now, tweak said:

Already have one  . But I like Raw.

Wow there is not many cameras that shoot Raw that are affordable.

[tweak]

4 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Wow there is not many cameras that shoot Raw that are affordable.

I know, there's also not many cameras that shoot Raw at a decent size and weight (DSLR size). 7D and 5D with ML were amazing, but I'd like something that does 4K raw in 4:3 aspect in that same size and weight... If the GH5 shot Raw it would be my perfect camera almost. Maybe Pana will deliver with their FF offering.

[webrunner5]

Well about the Only cheaper thing other than the ML stuff, PK4 is the Sony FS5 or an Older BMCC or the like. Does the Ursa Mini do Anamorphic?? I have seen them for 2000 bucks at times.

I don't think the the PK4 can get water or sand down in the sensor from the Fan vent areas. I think there is like a plastic shield around it. The fan moves the air over like a bubble thing. I think that is what Grant said in one of his early presentations. Now I am not saying you can our water down it! Almost every Cine camera has fan vent holes in them. I doubt many go belly up. And they use them in all kinds of conditions.

And you can use a cell phone probably for a portable monitor, or a mini iPad.

[webrunner5]

Here you go. A guy shooting Anamorphic on a Sony A7s.

https://medium.com/storm-shelter/cooke-anamorphic-primes-on-a-sony-a7s-a-world-first-maybe-5714d7ace471

[Shirozina]

3 hours ago, tweak said:

I'm not saying it's a bad camera, quite the opposite, but for my line of work I need something else.

Things I'd ideally like -
1. I need it to be sealed enough to shoot at a beach (that's where I do my work), exposed fan intake is a big no go.
2. Ibis would help a ton, although I could live without it.
3. I'd like 4:3 mode.
4. Anamorphic de-squeeze if possible.
5. Tilt or flip screen for filming fisheye low down.
6. Form factor I could fit in my existing Aquatech housing if possible (same one I use for 7D, 5D, GH5, EOS elan7e).

Those are a few of the things I can think of. I don't even need a 5D styled body, I could live without that part if they added the other things. I'd pay an extra 1000AUD for such features.

Fair points but are you looking for a singe camera to replace your existing one (GH5) as I was certainly not. For me the P4k just adds capability to my existing GH5 setup - 4k60p, high ISO/low light performance, RAW and extra DR. It won't replace my GH5 but the ludicrous low price it is too good a deal to pass on. If it was more money I'd probably hesitate even with more features but I reckon for and EVF, tilting screen , IBS and bigger battery you would be looking at a lot more than double the price.

[maxmizer]

6 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Here you go. A guy shooting Anamorphic on a Sony A7s.

https://medium.com/storm-shelter/cooke-anamorphic-primes-on-a-sony-a7s-a-world-first-maybe-5714d7ace471

The guy wrong lenses on Fs700, the physical size of the sensor is important!

M4/3: 17,3x13 D:21,64 mm

Sony S35 like fs700 : 24x12,7 D:27,16

Sony A7S like FF: 36x24 D:43,27

 

Cookie is: 33.54mm Diameter (New Epic S35mm Format)...like FF

 

reference :

https://vmi.tv/training/useful-stuff/Guide-to-Sensor-Sizes-and-Lens-Formats

https://www.cookeoptics.com/l/anamorphiclens.html

[leobauberger]

P4K, X-T3 or EOS R. I'm going crazy with this choice.