DBounce Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I remember thinking to myself a short while ago, “The current camera so damn good, Do we really need anything better? “ It seems many in Hollywood are taking note. I recently read a article which can be found here in which they state that the new movie “The Haunting of Hannah Grace” was shot entirely on the Sony A7S2. Granted, they rigged it up pretty good. But at the heart of that rigging was a Sony A7S2. So the day has come... hell has indeed frozen over. A humble prosumer camera can be used to shoot a Hollywood feature. Now if anamorphic lenses would follow suit, we would really be in business. hansel, Yehouda, johnnyd and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yehouda Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yes, the future of camera is not really about pure image quality. Now it is about new technologies like AF, automatic variable ND filter, low light performance etc. With these technologies we will be able to work with minimal rigs and the camera system will be much smaller and lighter. Shooting movies will be faster, easier and cheaper. tomsemiterrific 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 This didn't happen just now either. Older cameras like the GH4 / 5Dmk3 / D750 / etc have all been very good. Heck even the old Panasonic GH2/GH1 are perfectly respectably good if you work to its capabailities! As the Zacuto Shootout showed. https://www.zacuto.com/revenge-of-the-great-camera-shootout-2012 Or the various films done with the Panasonic GH2: If you look broader than "hybrids" and say "sub $1K" then has been more than true since at least the BMPCC. (or "sub $3K", which is a common enough price for many DSLRs, then the original BMCC in 2012) Being spoiled for choice in 2018 with all our luxuries we can choose from the many amazing cameras which got released this year, doesn't change the broader fact we've had "good enough" for a long time now! Orangenz and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, IronFilm said: This didn't happen just now either. Older cameras like the GH4 / 5Dmk3 / D750 / etc have all been very good. Heck even the old Panasonic GH2/GH1 are perfectly respectably good if you work to its capabailities! As the Zacuto Shootout showed. https://www.zacuto.com/revenge-of-the-great-camera-shootout-2012 Or the various films done with the Panasonic GH2: If you look broader than "hybrids" and say "sub $1K" then has been more than true since at least the BMPCC. (or "sub $3K", which is a common enough price for many DSLRs, then the original BMCC in 2012) Being spoiled for choice in 2018 with all our luxuries we can choose from the many amazing cameras which got released this year, doesn't change the broader fact we've had "good enough" for a long time now! This. It is truly amazing what is available. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times, look at what Kendy Ty did with a t2i and a Sigma 30mm 1.4 lens. hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Keep in mind that the "Hybrid" aspect is entirely irrelevant. It is a little to not used feature for narrative cinema/shows. I guess I could imagine some rare uses for stills, but you get the point. Now as a freelancer/traveler/hobbyist that's a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 But isn’t that the point... when a hybrid camera can be used for a feature film released in theatres, we are already there. Look at the X-T3... I’d be damned if that doesn’t look like a high end cinema camera. So the fact that it’s a hybrid is extremely relevant, don’t you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, mercer said: So the fact that it’s a hybrid is extremely relevant, don’t you think? I think @Jonesy Jones means that the stills part of a "hybrid" camera doesn't matter to a film production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 since when is "good enough" good enough? there isnt a camera on the market that has skin tones as good as im getting with 5d3 raw. its the most lifelike image that money can buy! alexa skin tones are the most overrated thing on the plant earth. they make people look a) dead and b) yellow and thats the gold standard right now SAD! mercer, Shirozina, Geoff CB and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 i looked up "wax museum" but the pictures were way too lifelike smh. dont worry i found one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, kaylee said: since when is "good enough" good enough? there isnt a camera on the market that has skin tones as good as im getting with 5d3 raw. its the most lifelike image that money can buy! alexa skin tones are the most overrated thing on the plant earth. they make people look a) dead and b) yellow and thats the gold standard right now SAD! Canon makes everyone's skin look like they have just been on a sunbed - flattering is not accurate. Orangenz and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, Shirozina said: Canon makes everyone's skin look like they have just been on a sunbed - flattering is not accurate. 1) perhaps but i feel you may be being a bit harsh on canon colours, alot of people go on about canon colour and try to emulate it heck half this website is about canon colour in one form or another. 2) when has movie making been accurate ? its all the look and flattery plays a big part if it didn't, ugly people like me would be actors and tom cruise would be waiting on tables some where ? hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 im not talking about canon, im talking about magic lantern raw ≠ whatsoever canon doesnt make a video camera with the same image. if they did i would DEFINITELY buy one edit: im being too concise. if youre new to magic lantern raw, its good to know that the image you get from different camera bodies will look different – a 5d2 is not the same as a 5d3, some are more similar than others, and so on. i was oversimplifying final point: SO many of the videos above have a grade where this doesnt matter. not saying thats bad! just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, kaylee said: since when is "good enough" good enough? there isnt a camera on the market that has skin tones as good as im getting with 5d3 raw. its the most lifelike image that money can buy! alexa skin tones are the most overrated thing on the plant earth. they make people look a) dead and b) yellow and thats the gold standard right now SAD! 2 hours ago, kaylee said: i looked up "wax museum" but the pictures were way too lifelike smh. dont worry i found one Wow @kaylee you should tell us what you really think!! To be fair, those images are screen grabs so won't be accurate in an absolute sense, but are useful as a comparison. Androidlad was partly right and partly wrong in the other thread. He was right about the pictures I posted being screengrabs, but he was wrong about the vectorscopes because they were taken from a downloaded copy of the video that hadn't gone through a display correction of any kind. I blocked him partly because he assumes that other people are wrong without cause, partly because he didn't try to clarify or have a civil conversation, and partly because I already have enough immature bickering in my life from my two children However, having said all that, it is pretty difficult to get past the colour of 14 bit RAW! kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, kaylee said: since when is "good enough" good enough? there isnt a camera on the market that has skin tones as good as im getting with 5d3 raw. its the most lifelike image that money can buy! alexa skin tones are the most overrated thing on the plant earth. they make people look a) dead and b) yellow and thats the gold standard right now SAD! Yeah I am in love with the 5D III RAW skintones as well. Not sure if its lifelike though. I dig the alexa skintones as well. Hoping we can gather enough 5D IV users(and devs) to test and develop magic lantern on it. Good thing the prices dropped a lot used on the 5D IV. So hopefully magic lantern will get the support again they once had with the 5D erra. As the 5D IV RAW could become my new favorite camera, and I own a ursa mini pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, kye said: Wow @kaylee you should tell us what you really think!! ??? loool sorry ive been drinking eggnog 55 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Yeah I am in love with the 5D III RAW skintones as well. Not sure if its lifelike though. I dig the alexa skintones as well. Hoping we can gather enough 5D IV users(and devs) to test and develop magic lantern on it. Good thing the prices dropped a lot used on the 5D IV. So hopefully magic lantern will get the support again they once had with the 5D erra. As the 5D IV RAW could become my new favorite camera, and I own a ursa mini pro. ^^^^ edit: @kye , @zerocool22, etc look, in the spirit of eggnog, i uploaded a clip just for you guys this is one of my first ml raw test clips – i had no idea what i was doing. doesnt matter! this is what i mean by lifelike kye and mercer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, kaylee said: ??? loool sorry ive been drinking eggnog ^^^^ edit: @kye , @zerocool22, etc look, in the spirit of eggnog, i uploaded a clip just for you guys this is one of my first ml raw test clips – i had no idea what i was doing. doesnt matter! this is what i mean by lifelike That's pretty nice! RAW huh... kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 "You can take any brand of camera that shoots video and shoot excellent video with it" Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 1:12 AM, kaylee said: im not talking about canon, im talking about magic lantern raw ≠ whatsoever canon doesnt make a video camera with the same image. if they did i would DEFINITELY buy one edit: im being too concise. if youre new to magic lantern raw, its good to know that the image you get from different camera bodies will look different – a 5d2 is not the same as a 5d3, some are more similar than others, and so on. i was oversimplifying final point: SO many of the videos above have a grade where this doesnt matter. not saying thats bad! just sayin' If you are shooting in RAW the camera itself is largely irrelevant as far as colors are concerned. The color you get is the color you adjust for. 16 hours ago, IronFilm said: "You can take any brand of camera that shoots video and shoot excellent video with it" As another saying goes, poor workmen blame their tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mokara said: If you are shooting in RAW the camera itself is largely irrelevant as far as colors are concerned. The color you get is the color you adjust for. Incorrect! KnightsFan and mercer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I shot with an xt3 and an nx1 on a recent project, and while the xt3's footage was visibly better in 4k 24 when i pixel peeped, i really can't say it really made a difference for my project. Of course having that quality in higher frame rates and a faster readout are real benefits, but even the nx1 peaked for diminishing returns in terms of color, compression, and dynamic range. At this point the biggest upgrades i want are for workflow: timecode, ergonomics, false color, and such. j_one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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