Canon EOS RP specs leaked, features 26MP sensor and 4K video

[kye]

2 hours ago, kaylee said:

canon: we expect a 50% decline in sales over the next two years because our products suck so much

lol...

[Mako Sports]

2 hours ago, DBounce said:

The EOS R is a great camera. A better tool for the job than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. Far more usable than P4k... 

Fanboyish statement sounds like its from Canon's marketing department. 

But hmmm what job?

I shoot sports (video) from the sidelines at all levels of play Youth, Varsity HS, Club/NCAA, and professional lacrosse.

Nearly every camera body they make would be total joke for what I do..

Edit: After watching the Northup video, I agree the EOS R is great "Family/vacation" camera ?

[Dunjoye]

4 hours ago, DBounce said:

The problem is too many people just go by the spec sheet. I don’t think anyone goes to the movies and gives a dam if the camera used was FF, S35, M43 or S16... they just watch the movie. Granted they notice how filmic it looks or doesn’t. Though they do this subconsciously. Just as they will notice cinematography.

The EOS R is a great camera. A better tool for the job than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. Far more usable than P4k... because it requires so little to use effectively. You do not even need to grade... you can shoot with baked in colors and be happy all day.

It fashionable to knock Canon, but getting good results with the EOS R is painless. And when all is said and done, isn’t that what it’s all about?

Spot on. 

There is a reason why every time I attend an event (wedding , conference, sports etc) most of the camera men are using a canon.

There is a reason why many organisationuse the C_line for docs...

There is a reason why majority of the bloggers on YouTube use a canon.

Sometimes doing the basic so well is key.

I have said it before, their market isn't the video pixel peepers and spec sheet ambassadors.

 

[Kisaha]

 

24 minutes ago, Dunjoye said:

Spot on. 

There is a reason why every time I attend an event (wedding , conference, sports etc) most of the camera men are using a canon.

There is a reason why many organisationuse the C_line for docs...

There is a reason why majority of the bloggers on YouTube use a canon.

Sometimes doing the basic so well is key.

I have said it before, their market isn't the video pixel peepers and spec sheet ambassadors.

 

Because there is a continuation of things, especially in the pro world.

When most professionals are using Canon (and Nikon, on a smaller percentage, and everyone else on a much much smaller scale) for 50 years - or more - then it is logical to still witness the last of their triumphant days.

In my industry (TV productions on a small southern European market) Canon has lost almost ALL of its power. I worked in 4 productions so far and none were Canon. I know only 1 TV show that are using a C camera (C300mkII) currently, and I know most of the market here. This is a huge loss of capital, even in my small country, and that is the case in other markets I have personal knowledge (like UK).

Canon is becoming less and less relevant/competitive in most areas, the slowest market in change, will be the pro photographers, because they change equipmeny after many years of use, and not every new release happens, despite I see a lot of people still using the 5dmkii, that doesn't mean it is the best tool for the job, that is the case with most Canon products, they offer one or two in every category, but they are behind almost everyone else.

[Django]

Just now, Mako Sports said:

Fanboyish statement sounds like its from Canon's marketing department. 

But hmmm what job?

I shoot sports (video) from the sidelines at all levels of play Youth, Varsity HS, Club/NCAA, and professional lacrosse.

Nearly every camera body they make would be total joke for what I do..

Edit: After watching the Northup video, I agree the EOS R is great "Family/vacation" camera ?

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Riiiight, because your comment doesn't come off at all like Sony fanboyism.

You might have had a case if you were using an A9 series (rest aren't even weather sealed). But the A6300... better than Canon.. for sports really? Cmon.

The joke of the LCD rear display with less than 1M px (not even half of EOS R's resolution) requires that monitor on top. Lack of ergonomics means you need that side handle.

That camera has worst RS than EOS R (more than double in FHD), overheats after like 15mn, AF nowhere near DPAF, no touchscreen, no IBIS/IS, weak battery life etc..

Yeah what a pro solution over Canon that camera is ? Better not rain during the game.. meanwhile Super Bowl last year:

RIP CANON ?

 

[Kisaha]

10 minutes ago, Django said:

Riiiight, because your comment doesn't come off at all like Sony fanboyism.

You might have had a case if you were using an A7 III / A9 series. But the A6300... better than Canon.. for sports really? Cmon.

The joke of the LCD rear display with less than 1M px (not even half of EOS R's resolution) requires that monitor on top. Lack of ergonomics means you need that side handle.

That camera has worst RS than EOS R (more than double in FHD), overheats after like 15mn, AF nowhere near DPAF, no touchscreen, no IBIS/IS, weak battery life etc..

Yeah what a pro solution over Canon that camera is ?

RIP CANON ?

 

Sony a6xx cameras (which I detest) compete with M cameras, and they easily destroy them, any day. 

For the rest, look at my comment above.

Canonikon will reign in sports photography a long time after loosing all their other castles.

[BasiliskFilm]

Canon is great at keeping secrets, so everyone gets a surprise at release. No-one anticipated the video crop on the EOS-R, so be prepared for surprises! Will the new model have full frame video or full sensor readout? I know where I would put my bet.

[Django]

Just now, Kisaha said:

Sony a6xx cameras (which I detest) compete with M cameras, and they easily destroy them, any day. 

For the rest, look at my comment above.

Canonikon will reign in sports photography a long time after loosing all their other castles.

sports photography, wedding photography, fashion etc.. they basically dominate all pro photography where DSLR still reigns supreme.

and in couple years when DSLR dies out, their MILC bodies will have fully caught up and have a solid RF lens lineup pro photogs will still gush over.

For cine cams, DPAF on the C line simply has no competition and therefore is still the preferred solution for many run & gun, docu, events, corporate shooters.

For broadcast, C300II is still a top choice with 12-bit 444 internal 2K, but sure Sony took some shares with FS7 & cheaper e-mount lens options.

As for the future, Canon intends on paving the way for 8K in their upcoming C line refresh in time for Tokyo 2020, so i wouldn't bury them at all yet.

 

[Emanuel]

6 hours ago, DBounce said:

(...) Far more usable than P4k... (...)

Have you ever shot with one?

Tired to read FUD from people outside without a fair experience about : -)

[Kisaha]

56 minutes ago, Django said:

sports photography, wedding photography, fashion etc.. they basically dominate all pro photography where DSLR still reigns supreme.

and in couple years when DSLR dies out, their MILC bodies will have fully caught up and have a solid RF lens lineup pro photogs will still gush over.

For cine cams, DPAF on the C line simply has no competition and therefore is still the preferred solution for many run & gun, docu, events, corporate shooters.

For broadcast, C300II is still a top choice with 12-bit 444 internal 2K, but sure Sony took some shares with FS7 & cheaper e-mount lens options.

The way you look at it everything is perfect in Canon-land, the way it is, and the way Canon admitted 2 days ago, is far different than reality.

Sports photography belongs to Canonikon for the next half a dozen years, certainly, all the rest has changed.

In wedding photography, a few years ago it was 95% Canonikon, now Sony has eaten a good chunk of that, and I even know a few people shooting Fuji, something unheard for even 2 years ago. If you go from 95-98% share to something like 65-68% on just a few years, then there is trouble in paradise.

Fashion, the same, and the mILC have a bigger share there, for sure. 

Sony didn't just take some share, it almost has a monopoly with their FS5 and FS7 series. When I have knowledge of at least 30 TV shows in my market, and just 1 is Canon (C300mkII) and I even know a few (I worked in 2) using GH5 cameras, then that is not just "took some share", that is even worst than pro photography that changes happen slowly, this is a disaster, and on a market with huge profit margin.

I am not trying to convince you about anything. I have 4 NX cameras, and my favorite tool of all time, besides NX, is the C100mkII, but I can not close my eyes to the writing in the wall. It is just there, with hugh neon lights.

[Mokara]

17 hours ago, Django said:

Wait & see, unless I missed something all the rumors said was 26MP & no touchbar.

But Canon isn’t silly, they know how to segment and are not going to give a lower end model better (video) specs than the R.

The 26MP is probably the same 26MP sensor as in the 6D2 (just like the 30MP on the R echoes the 5DIV).

So what does this indicate? Probably no 4K! Or maybe 4K with no DPAF (a la M50)

Other possible limitations could be: 

No touchbar, no flip-out screen, no top LCD, no C-Log, no ALL-I codec, no 10-bit out, less AF points, less DR.. etc

Again I highly doubt the RP will have anything better for video than the R.

Canon are just applying the same formula & release strategy than their 6D, 5D, 1DX2 FF models imo: mid market first, then lower end, then pro.

Plenty to hate about Canon but nobody is going to end up crying.. you guys sure like to jump the gun!

 

Higher end Canon cameras have an additional older generation Digic processor (which is not mentioned in the specs) specifically for handling focusing, while the lower end models lack this. This is the main reason for the performance differential between something the 5D and 6D for example, or the 7D and 80D.

My guess is that this EOS-RP will have M50 type performance when it comes to video for that reason. So, while it may shoot 4K, my guess is that DPAF will not be available when you do. The simpler electronics (and likely no touch bar) will permit the lower price.

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

Sony a6xx cameras (which I detest) compete with M cameras, and they easily destroy them, any day. 

For the rest, look at my comment above.

Canonikon will reign in sports photography a long time after loosing all their other castles.

Don't be so sure about that. Things can change fast. 

There will still be a lot of legacy equipment around that will be used for a long time, but those cameras are not where the future is.

[Django]

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

The way you look at it everything is perfect in Canon-land, the way it is, and the way Canon admitted 2 days ago, is far different than reality.

Sports photography belongs to Canonikon for the next half a dozen years, certainly, all the rest has changed.

In wedding photography, a few years ago it was 95% Canonikon, now Sony has eaten a good chunk of that, and I even know a few people shooting Fuji, something unheard for even 2 years ago. If you go from 95-98% share to something like 65-68% on just a few years, then there is trouble in paradise.

Fashion, the same, and the mILC have a bigger share there, for sure. 

Sony didn't just take some share, it almost has a monopoly with their FS5 and FS7 series. When I have knowledge of at least 30 TV shows in my market, and just 1 is Canon (C300mkII) and I even know a few (I worked in 2) using GH5 cameras, then that is not just "took some share", that is even worst than pro photography that changes happen slowly, this is a disaster, and on a market with huge profit margin.

I am not trying to convince you about anything. I have 4 NX cameras, and my favorite tool of all time, besides NX, is the C100mkII, but I can not close my eyes to the writing in the wall. It is just there, with hugh neon lights.

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I am not looking at it in "Canon-land" simply observing with my own eyes the professional scene in my location, Paris France, which visibly differs much from your own local observations (which I am not disputing btw).

That said, living and working in the number one fashion capital of the world, I think I do know a bit about that scene. So to hear " mILC have a bigger share there, for sure " is rather a surprise.

From celebrity model studio shoots to fashion editorials, to the runway or even street bloggers during Fashion week... I'd say it's 95% CaNikon.  And 80% of that 1DX2/5D3/5D4.

Battery life, weather sealing, FPS, balance with telephoto lenses, portrait orientation control. Flagship DSLR still own that market. Canon edges it off with skintone CS.

For video, I think it also depends. TV/Broadcast isn't the only market. We're shifting more & more towards digital content by one man bands.

In the rental houses I visit, i see just as much Canon gear getting rented out then Sony. I also know showrunners that swear only by RED/ARRI. YMMV.

[Kisaha]

9 minutes ago, Django said:

I am not looking at it in "Canon-land" simply observing with my own eyes the professional scene in my location, Paris France, which visibly differs much from your own local observations (which I am not disputing btw).

That said, living and working in the number one fashion capital of the world, I think I do know a bit about that scene. So to hear " mILC have a bigger share there, for sure " is rather a surprise

For video, I think it also depends. TV/Broadcast isn't the only market. We're shifting more & more towards digital content by one man bands.

In the rental houses I visit, i see just as much Canon gear getting rented out then Sony. I also know showrunners that swear only by RED/ARRI. YMMV.

With "Bigger share", I was reffering to the comparison between sports photography and fashion photography, meaning that mirrorless have a bigger share in fashion photography than in sports photography, which almost noone uses a mirrorless anyway. 

Exactly my point in video. Red/Arri is NOT Canon. Also Panasonic, BlackMagic, Sony, JVC are not Canon, while the C100/C300 era Canon dominated the market (5Dmkii and iii also) completely.

What I am trying to say is that Canon is not competing with Nikon in photography and Sony in video, like they used to, there are a lot of players in both segments now, and Canon releases 5 years old hardware. 

At the moment, I would buy into Canon only if I was a sport photographer, in no other segment Canon has a competative product at the moment.

 

[DBounce]

2 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Have you ever shot with one?

Tired to read FUD from people outside without a fair experience about : -)

Actually, yes. And I can tell you as a tool to get the shot with minimal fuss the P4k would not be my choice. No continuous AF, meaning when using on a gimbal you must either sacrifice DOF or have a focus puller. Cheap plastic build inspires little confidence without a cage. Bulky proportions means casually taking it along is seldom a choice. And most importantly for me, no stills capability means the C200 will always remain a better choice.

[Django]

19 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

At the moment, I would buy into Canon only if I was a sport photographer, in no other segment Canon has a competative product at the moment.

 

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That may be your own personal conclusion, but many photographers & videographers would obviously disagree.

Body specs aren't everything. Albeit certain limitations, as a complete ecosystem, Canon have imo the most appealing lineup (for my type of work) that give great results with minimum fuss.

Again more & more single operators. Current trend is also 'body per lens' type of shoot. 2 or 3 bodies and a bag of lenses.

A perfect setup for that is a C100/200 as A-cam,  5D4/1DX2 as a B-cam & EOS R as a C-cam (on gimbal, motorized slider).

I would only trust Canon with their DPAF for that type of shoot:

 

[DBounce]

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Sony didn't just take some share, it almost has a monopoly with their FS5 and FS7 series. When I have knowledge of at least 30 TV shows in my market, and just 1 is Canon (C300mkII) and I even know a few (I worked in 2) using GH5 cameras, then that is not just "took some share", that is even worst than pro photography that changes happen slowly, this is a disaster, and on a market with huge profit margin.

Well that’s interesting, the vast majority are using Sony FS cameras yet in this video about which cameras were used to shoot the academy award nominated films this year... no mention of Sony? I hear Panavision... Red... ARRI... oh and Canon... but no Sony? Hmmm?

 

[Snowbro]

I trust these three gents on their camera choice ?

[Kisaha]

55 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Well that’s interesting, the vast majority are using Sony FS cameras yet in this video about which cameras were used to shoot the academy award nominated films this year... no mention of Sony? I hear Panavision... Red... ARRI... oh and Canon... but no Sony? Hmmm?

 

You are completely cluess of what you are talking about. This is out of your league, to say the least.

[Mako Sports]

4 hours ago, Django said:

Riiiight, because your comment doesn't come off at all like Sony fanboyism.

You might have had a case if you were using an A9 series (rest aren't even weather sealed). But the A6300... better than Canon.. for sports really? Cmon.

The joke of the LCD rear display with less than 1M px (not even half of EOS R's resolution) requires that monitor on top. Lack of ergonomics means you need that side handle.

That camera has worst RS than EOS R (more than double in FHD), overheats after like 15mn, AF nowhere near DPAF, no touchscreen, no IBIS/IS, weak battery life etc..

Yeah what a pro solution over Canon that camera is ? Better not rain during the game.. meanwhile Super Bowl last year:

RIP CANON ?

 

1. I shoot sports videography which i specified in my OP, been using that A6300 for well over 2 years the only issue is batterylife. I have a friend that does the exact same thing I do an uses a 5Dmk4. And if you watch his videos you can see it struggling to keep up. DPAF is fine for slower moving subjects but have you tried using it with fast moving sport? It suffers. As said by many sony video af is faster/better for fast moving subjects.

2. Wooden Rosette handles are extremely comfortable, have you ever used one? I see a ton of FS7, FS5, URSA, CXXX, users running after market ones. 

4. Have you ever used a good quality external monitor? Its an experience to say the least. A Smallhd on camera monitor is going to be better than ANY built in camera screen. To say otherwise your just a troll. To my knowledge the only affordable cameras with built in waveforms is the GH line, false color?, vector scope? A larger image to make sure my framing is good? I bet you would agree pulling focus on a 7 inch screen is a lot easier than with any 3+- inch screen. 

5. I rarely shoot 4K in games, 98% of the time slow motion. (I do the post game highlights), what canon camera does 120fps slow motion with usable autofocus in 1080? NONE

6. Weather sealing doesn't exist. If it did all cameras would come with a legit IPX rating. Ive shot tones of games in the rain with zero issues ?

7. With that photo you linked, yes the photogs are shooting CanNikon as sony doesn't have the Tele primes like those 2. But its funny bc you better believe the super bowl last year as well as tonight is being broadcasted by Sony XDCAM cameras. 

8. Ya ima a Sony fanboy as ive said on this website numerous times, before I switched as I was one for Canon and atm im looking @ switching to Panasonic. 

9. I don't upgrade my cameras left n right like other people, so thats why I've been using my A6300 for over 2 years. It does what I need it to, puts food on the table for me. The XT3, and A7iii don't bring enough for me to want to upgrade immediately. Because I only have 3 lenses and universal accessories, when something from Fuji, Panasonic or Sony gets released with all the specs that I need for my line of work i will upgrade.

I've never said Sony is perfect or the best for every genre. You justify using canon in basically EVERY thread related to that brand on this forum, I can do the same. 

 

[thebrothersthre3]

1 hour ago, DBounce said:

Well that’s interesting, the vast majority are using Sony FS cameras yet in this video about which cameras were used to shoot the academy award nominated films this year... no mention of Sony? I hear Panavision... Red... ARRI... oh and Canon... but no Sony? Hmmm?

 

I don't think Arthouse films are really a good representation of general use cameras.