sanveer Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 This is about the 10-bit video. For some reason Sony isn't able to advertise enough features of its smartphones and also the pricing, advertisement and refinement seem little off. Like if it had like 100mbps, this could have been a monster. https://www.sonymobile.com/in/legal/testresults/xperia-xz2/#gref The S10 video looks promising, but how good it is, is something we'll have to wait for. Btw I am noticing that Samsung is delaying and underplaying specs and features on the S10 lineup, including sensor and other specs. Which is a little suspicious. Either they're looking to make things superb video firmware or everything is not as stellar as it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 hours ago, webrunner5 said: Well as far as I can tell the iPhone XS, which I have, actually does frame combining where as the Galaxy S10 Only has a new screen that shows HDR10 which the iPhone X that I traded in already had that screen. The S10 has a HDR10+ screen and is the first smartphone to be HDR10+ certified. So I’m certain your old iPhone doesn’t have this screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I think it does have the screen because I have been able to see HDR stuff since my iPhone X. I don't know what HDR10+ is? Well I found out what it is, it is a half assed attempt by Samsung to come out with a lesser 10 bit instead of 12 bit standard. Samsung is trying to pull a Sony LoL. And no I don't really want their screen. From Wired Magazine. "Both phones support Apple's True Tone display, and support Dolby Vision and HDR10. Their displays aren't just Retina displays; they're super Retina, Apple says—the same screens found on last year's iPhone X." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: I think it does have the screen because I have been able to see HDR stuff since my iPhone X. I don't know what HDR10+ is? Well I found out what it is, it is a half assed attempt by Samsung to come out with a lesser 10 bit instead of 12 bit standard. Samsung is trying to pull a Sony LoL. And no I don't really want their screen. From Wired Magazine. "Both phones support Apple's True Tone display, and support Dolby Vision and HDR10. Their displays aren't just Retina displays; they're super Retina, Apple says—the same screens found on last year's iPhone X." No, HDR10+ added dynamic metadata. HDR10 can only do static metadata for tone mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Dolby Vision HDR already does the Dynamic metadata Which the Apple screen does.. It is just a ploy by Samsung, Phillips to try to get it as a standard. And it is offering less bits. Now which one wins out who Knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 I dont understand why apple never makes an industry standard resolution screen. They didnt do 1080 & now 1440p. They wont add support for vp9 so you cant watch 1440p videos on YT lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, androidlad said: No, HDR10+ added dynamic metadata. HDR10 can only do static metadata for tone mapping. You do know that Samsung supplies the Amoled screens that Apple uses? The new S10 has 1200 nits brightness vs 700ish of the iPhone. Also 2 million to 1 contrast ratio vs 1 million to 1. The new screens on the S10 are Samsung’s most advanced mobile screens. Their most color accurate. Much better that anything they have ever produced. Certainly better than anything they have ever sold to Apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Is there a way to keep the HDR video running non-stop on the iphone xs? I tried one at the store and it would only kick on when there was an extreme contrast situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Snowbro said: Is there a way to keep the HDR video running non-stop on the iphone xs? I tried one at the store and it would only kick on when there was an extreme contrast situation. Not that I have found. It is an Auto thing and I have no clue why and when it sees fit to do it? But to be able to do it on the fly must take some amazing processing to do it up to 4K 30p. It not only has to do it, it has to decide when to do it. Amazing stuff available out now. My XS is night and day better photo and video wise, and even stabilization is better than my X was. And every app runs faster. It is like it is in Warp Drive LoL. This was taken with my XS. I think that is some pretty serious DR and detail for a Phone. Snowbro and kaylee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Not that I have found. It is an Auto thing and I have no clue why and when it sees fit to do it? But to be able to do it on the fly must take some amazing processing to do it up to 4K 30p. It not only has to do it, it has to decide when to do it. Amazing stuff available out now. My XS is night and day better photo and video wise, and even stabilization is better than my X was. And every app runs faster. It is like it is in Warp Drive LoL. I wonder if some apps like filmic pro can keep it enabled, they probably don't have access to it though. Watched a bunch of videos here and there on the iphone xs stabilization, it seems that the iphones still have a jello effect sometimes. It happens when you move faster than a slow walk from what I have seen. The s10 doesn't have that, but I watched a video of it at night and it does the same thing the gopro does. There is a weird shaking happening in lines at night from the digital IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I haven't really paid much attention to the s10. I might want to buy it LoL. So not really looked at what it can do. I am sure it is great. I have has a bunch of Samsung Note models. I have had 3 different Apple watches, have the series 4 now, so I have to sort of stay with Apple phones to use them. And I use Facetime for my grand kids. And there is a lot more Photo, Video apps for my iPad. So you sort of get stuck in a system. I got pissed off with Last couple of Note phones I had. The swollen battery thing. That was a horror show. Took months to resolve both models of them. First they want to send you a new battery, then after that goes to shit they cave and send you a new phone, and Maybe a new battery for it. And then on the Note 7 they stopped even making the damn thing. Had to wait for the Note 8. F that! And they never even sent a sorry letter, or any money, or discount on shit. I was done with Samsung after that. Happy as hell with the Note 2, and Note 4, but.. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 I just saw that the s10 new stabilization mode (digital) is only available in 1080p. Not sure how the iphone xs & s10 4k video stabilization compare. I have watched a bunch of videos, but not that much has been covered with video yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 It is better on the XS than the X I had but still not good enough. I have a Glidecam Volt I use. I suck at using it though LoL. Need to practice more for sure. Snowbro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Pixel stabilization is pretty crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The iPhones since the 6s Plus have had real Optical Image Stabilization in them. So I guess they just don't weigh enough to hold them well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Filmic pro tested & got 12 stops of DR with their profile on the XS & 9 stops on the S9. It will be interesting to see what the s10 will do, probably still lose tbh. https://***URL not allowed***/filmic-logv2-first-look-12-stops-of-dynamic-range-on-your-new-iphone/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 holy cow~! TWELVE STOPS??!! ? 53 minutes ago, Snowbro said: Filmic pro tested & got 12 stops of DR with their profile on the XS & 9 stops on the S9. It will be interesting to see what the s10 will do, probably still lose tbh. https://***URL not allowed***/filmic-logv2-first-look-12-stops-of-dynamic-range-on-your-new-iphone/ edit: omg is this real Snowbro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 That test has a conflict of interest, but the videos I have seen, show that it does have good DR. Who knows what the exact number is lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowbro Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Had a galaxy s8+, it didn't do 4k recording well. Got the iphone xs max yesterday; I found that it starts lagging while recording 4k 24p and panning. It seems like it doesn't have enough horsepower to process its stabilization with a pan or some other movements. There was a hissing noise while recording video, tried it in many scenarios. Lastly, the screen has a slight yellow tint, I turned off true tone and checked everything in the display accessibility. Tried changing the tint, but it ruins the brightness and messes up the color accuracy more. Screen was also much dimmer & lower contrast than it should be, compared to my older phone which was brighter? Apparently there are tons of threads on this & it might be from LG making some of the panels. Going to go return it and get the s10+. Tried the s10+ at the store yesterday; the phone seems pretty nice, but it still has more of a wobbly jello effect than the iphone sometimes. Tried recording in the HDR10+ mode, it was interesting. I noticed a little better DR and the colors were extremely vivid, not sure if I really like that. I wonder how hard it would be to convert that HDR10+ to a regular gamma so you can watch on other screens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Snowbro said: Had a galaxy s8+, it didn't do 4k recording well. Got the iphone xs max yesterday; I found that it starts lagging while recording 4k 24p and panning. It seems like it doesn't have enough horsepower to process its stabilization with a pan or some other movements. There was a hissing noise while recording video, tried it in many scenarios. Lastly, the screen has a slight yellow tint, I turned off true tone and checked everything in the display accessibility. Tried changing the tint, but it ruins the brightness and messes up the color accuracy more. Screen was also much dimmer & lower contrast than it should be, compared to my older phone which was brighter? Apparently there are tons of threads on this & it might be from LG making some of the panels. Going to go return it and get the s10+. Tried the s10+ at the store yesterday; the phone seems pretty nice, but it still has more of a wobbly jello effect than the iphone sometimes. Tried recording in the HDR10+ mode, it was interesting. I noticed a little better DR and the colors were extremely vivid, not sure if I really like that. I wonder how hard it would be to convert that HDR10+ to a regular gamma so you can watch on other screens? XS Max has the best colour accuracy of all phones to date, period. The white point is dead on at 6500K. Colour/greyscale DeltaE are all below 3. The reason you think there's a slight yellow tint is because you're so used to seeing higher white point at around 7500K. Is your Samsung Galaxy display setting on "Adaptive" or any of the "AMOLED" mode? Only "Basic" gives you standard sRGB colours and most importantly D65 white point. I'm sure the S10+ demo unit also had display settings with maxed out saturation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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