andrgl Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Is there anything cheaper than the FS5 for 4k120 RAW? Only other camera I could find was the Sony FS700R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Yes the FS700 is the cheapest. There is a used one on eBay right now for $1200. You have to add in the cost of an external recorder with both cameras, the odyssey 7Q does 4k RAW I believe. Mako Sports 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 What external recorder is the best to go with an FS5mkII? The P4K is not being available yet, and I have to explore other option. The FS5ii with the "cine" 18-110mm is a good and "cheap" dependable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 16, 2019 Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kisaha said: What external recorder is the best to go with an FS5mkII? The P4K is not being available yet, and I have to explore other option. The FS5ii with the "cine" 18-110mm is a good and "cheap" dependable option. I'd definitely hold fire until after NAB. The Shogun Inferno will give you the ProRes RAW capability but if Atomos announce an SDI version of the Ninja V then that might be a better form factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: I'd definitely hold fire until after NAB. The Shogun Inferno will give you the ProRes RAW capability but if Atomos announce an SDI version of the Ninja V then that might be a better form factor. They may not have RAW 120 capabilities tho. Right now the Odyssey 7q is the cheapest option for 4k 120p raw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 16, 2019 Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: They may not have RAW 120 capabilities tho. Right now the Odyssey 7q is the cheapest option for 4k 120p raw. True, the Ninja V doesn't but if they are going to bring out a smaller screened "Shogun V" then it would be worth holding out for a few weeks until NAB to have a look unless the purchase was needed immediately if you had the need for the burst 4K mode of the FS5. The Shogun Inferno had a firmware update to handle the 4K120p RAW from the FS5 https://***URL not allowed***/firmware-update-atomos-shogun-inferno-brings-quad-dual-link-support-4k-120p/ At $1395 its quite a bit cheaper than the Odyssey 7Q at $2300 (including the additional RAW license for the 4K120p burst) although the Odyssey does have a very nice additional trick with the Titan HD extract feature for doing faux multi cam from a single 4K camera. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: True, the Ninja V doesn't but if they are going to bring out a smaller screened "Shogun V" then it would be worth holding out for a few weeks until NAB to have a look unless the purchase was needed immediately if you had the need for the burst 4K mode of the FS5. The Shogun Inferno had a firmware update to handle the 4K120p RAW from the FS5 https://***URL not allowed***/firmware-update-atomos-shogun-inferno-brings-quad-dual-link-support-4k-120p/ At $1395 its quite a bit cheaper than the Odyssey 7Q at $2300 (including the additional RAW license for the 4K120p burst) although the Odyssey does have a very nice additional trick with the Titan HD extract feature for doing faux multi cam from a single 4K camera. Oh dang I didn't know the Inferno did RAW 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 16, 2019 Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Oh dang I didn't know the Inferno did RAW 120. And I didn't know it didn't originally do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 @BTM_Pix @thebrothersthre3 I'm going to go with the Odyssey 7Q as it offers CDNG recording at 4k60 and 4k120. It's also surprisingly easy to find used ones with drives and the paid upgrade, for under USD$1500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 That article seems to confirm high speed 4k Cinema dng RAW 12 bit 444. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 16, 2019 Super Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 This is the user manual from a few months ago. It says in there the Cinema DNG is only up to 4K30p but then their press releases seem to contradict that ! http://downloads.atomos.com/shogun-inferno/Shogun_Inferno_User_Manual.pdf Honestly, I would email them directly and explicitly ask the question for the exact config combination that you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 12 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: I'd definitely hold fire until after NAB. The Shogun Inferno will give you the ProRes RAW capability but if Atomos announce an SDI version of the Ninja V then that might be a better form factor. I am going from NAB to NAB, and IBC to IBC! I am reluctant to go FS5 when the P4K is 1450€. E-ND is amazing, but do not worth the price difference I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 The Pocket 4k will probably be my next purchase in 2020. The URSA mini 4k is tempting too but its hard to beat the Pocket's size and price point, and image quality for that matter. The FS700 odyssey combo is amazing but I don't think I'd like the ergonomics. There is a thread going on DVXuser about if the FS700 is worth it in 2019, everyone was still happy with theirs and weren't even planning on switching, that says a lot. andrgl and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: The Pocket 4k will probably be my next purchase in 2020. The URSA mini 4k is tempting too but its hard to beat the Pocket's size and price point, and image quality for that matter. The FS700 odyssey combo is amazing but I don't think I'd like the ergonomics. There is a thread going on DVXuser about if the FS700 is worth it in 2019, everyone was still happy with theirs and weren't even planning on switching, that says a lot. Oh my! I hated that camera! Worst ergonomics ever, questionable build quality. Great slow mo machine. All the people I knew owned one have moved on for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted February 17, 2019 Super Members Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Kisaha said: I am reluctant to go FS5 when the P4K is 1450€. E-ND is amazing, but do not worth the price difference I guess. It frustrating really because the cost of making an E-ND is actually quite low. Aputure do a version of their DEC controller of course from EF to MFT or E but there is no pass through for AF which is not as much of an issue for the Pocket 4K as it doesn't do it for any adapted lens anyway but is for other MFT cameras not to mention the Sony ones. There is certainly the space available within an EF to M adapter or a Sigma MC11 EF to E adapter to house one and I'm tempted to pick up a really cheap EF to E adapter to modify and put my own in. When you want a focal reducer involved though then there is just no way to fit one in which brings us back to the front mounted option. You may remember this thread from last year And, well, from today's "Tales From The Lashed Together Protoype Lab" I offer you this that suggests the idea may have been dormant but not forgotten Kisaha, JordanWright and andrgl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Sony are probably in the best position to offer an E-ND in hopefully A7S3. They would do such a killing. Part of me still really wants an FS5 for the Auto-ND feature & raw HFS. I feel like that camera might sort of become a hidden treasure as its value starts to plummet in the affordable range. Kisaha and andrgl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 2/17/2019 at 5:36 AM, andrgl said: Only other camera I could find was the Sony FS700R. Once you add on a recorder capable of this, you'll find that the Z Cam E2 would have been a cheaper choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 C500 does 4K 120P RAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Once you add on a recorder capable of this, you'll find that the Z Cam E2 would have been a cheaper choice. No raw tho 32 minutes ago, androidlad said: C500 does 4K 120P RAW Those actually aren't that much used. A bit more than the Fs700 but not bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Django said: Sony are probably in the best position to offer an E-ND in hopefully A7S3. They would do such a killing. But we all know they wont do it, I feel like there isn't enough space in an A7 or A9 body for a ND filter module. A Tall 1DX body would be perfect for it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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