stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 4:49 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Yeah I usually get lenses separate as they often charge more for the kit lens than I can get it used, if I get the kit lens at all. But I am in the US so may not be the same where you live. Gotta weigh your options man. Its hard to know what is beneficial without using it. I had the GH5 for a while only to find IBIS wasn't that important to me. Expand what you using now, gh5? anyway it seems that the choice is gh5 or XT3(or xh1 for more lenses options with same budget) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 One question I have, and it might have been asked already, but do you need a camera that doesn't have recording limits? Are you okay with 29:59 recording limits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 4:59 PM, newfoundmass said: One question I have, and it might have been asked already, but do you need a camera that doesn't have recording limits? Are you okay with 29:59 recording limits? Expand yes this is not really a point for me. I think never recorded up to 29 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 4:52 PM, stefanocps said: what you using now, gh5? anyway it seems that the choice is gh5 or XT3(or xh1 for more lenses options with same budget) Expand Right now I have an XT3, XT2, and BM pocket camera. I do weddings so I need three cameras and its nice to have back ups for paid work. I went with Fuji as I like their color, means less work in post, sometimes no color work in post. Canon is great for color too but Fuji products offer a lot more for a lot less. Low light performance is a big plus as well as auto focus. The XT3 with a used kit lens 18-55, is the best bang for your buck right now I think. The 18-55 has OIS so you can do some handheld work too. If you don't need 10bit the Fuji XT30 with kit lens would be a good deal. You'd save $400. I almost went with an XH1 as a second camera, but I really don't need IBIS. Especially because the Fuji IBIS is not as good as panasonic. Good as a tripod replacement but I don't mind just using a tripod. I may have gone with a Z6 but the color science isn't as pleasing and I couldn't afford buying two of them. I am very happy with the XT3. MrSMW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:02 PM, stefanocps said: yes this is not really a point for me. I think never recorded up to 29 minutes Expand Okay so then Fuji is an option! I still lean towards the GH5 personally because it has all the pro features you could want outside of the weaker AF. Fuji I'm looking at very closely though to see what the future holds. The advances they've made in video in such a short period is fantastic! They really could entice me to switch soon with the right camera! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:19 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Right now I have an XT3, XT2, and BM pocket camera. I do weddings so I need three cameras and its nice to have back ups for paid work. I went with Fuji as I like their color, means less work in post, sometimes no color work in post. Canon is great for color too but Fuji products offer a lot more for a lot less. Low light performance is a big plus as well as auto focus. The XT3 with a used kit lens 18-55, is the best bang for your buck right now I think. The 18-55 has OIS so you can do some handheld work too. If you don't need 10bit the Fuji XT30 with kit lens would be a good deal. You'd save $400. I almost went with an XH1 as a second camera, but I really don't need IBIS. Especially because the Fuji IBIS is not as good as panasonic. Good as a tripod replacement but I don't mind just using a tripod. I may have gone with a Z6 but the color science isn't as pleasing and I couldn't afford buying two of them. I am very happy with the XT3. Expand i think xt3 witn 18 55 could really be the one for me, and if needed i could get later a gimbal. Still i could save money getting xh1 or xt30. How will it change in practice the difference 8/10 bit recording?What are the specs on hdmi recording with xt30? On 2/23/2019 at 5:21 PM, newfoundmass said: Okay so then Fuji is an option! I still lean towards the GH5 personally because it has all the pro features you could want outside of the weaker AF. Fuji I'm looking at very closely though to see what the future holds. The advances they've made in video in such a short period is fantastic! They really could entice me to switch soon with the right camera! Expand i know what you mean, gh5 also is a real otpion for me too. What stop me is 1) it is old technbology right now.2/3 years makes a lot of difference. And anothe r thinf g is that wether i know gh3 is another world from gh5 they have something in common, i thonk it is t he panasonic flavour. And i am kind of fedup with this flavour. For sure with a good cc the flavour change totally, i am talking about the filke played has it comes out from the machine. Most probably it is only a prejudice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:22 PM, stefanocps said: i think xt3 witn 18 55 could really be the one for me, and if needed i could get later a gimbal. Still i could save money getting xh1 or xt30. How will it change in practice the difference 8/10 bit recording?What are the specs on hdmi recording with xt30? Expand You can record 10 bit 422 out on the XT30, so it has future upgrade potential. Log doesn't grade as well in 8 bit. Fuji log isn't too bad though better then 8 bit sony S-log or Panasonic 8 bit V-log. However you also can record in Eterna, which isn't log but has pretty high dynamic range. Getting a cheap speedbooster plus some cheap vintage lenses gives you some pretty cool results on the Fuji too. On 2/23/2019 at 5:22 PM, stefanocps said: I know what you mean, gh5 also is a real otpion for me too. What stop me is 1) it is old technbology right now.2/3 years makes a lot of difference. And anothe r thinf g is that wether i know gh3 is another world from gh5 they have something in common, i thonk it is t he panasonic flavour. And i am kind of fedup with this flavour. For sure with a good cc the flavour change totally, i am talking about the filke played has it comes out from the machine Expand The GH5 with vlog and HLG definitely has a different flavor, the lessened crop and IBIS make it a really unique camera. I do agree the tech is getting older. I wish the GH5S had IBIS, it really would be hard to beat. IronFilm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:30 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: You can record 10 bit 422 out on the XT30, so it has future upgrade potential. Log doesn't grade as well in 8 bit. Fuji log isn't too bad though better then 8 bit sony S-log or Panasonic 8 bit V-log. However you also can record in Eterna, which isn't log but has pretty high dynamic range. Getting a cheap speedbooster plus some cheap vintage lenses gives you some pretty cool results on the Fuji too. Expand may be xt3 is overall and worthy better option over xt30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:22 PM, stefanocps said: i know what you mean, gh5 also is a real otpion for me too. What stop me is 1) it is old technbology right now.2/3 years makes a lot of difference. And anothe r thinf g is that wether i know gh3 is another world from gh5 they have something in common, i thonk it is t he panasonic flavour. And i am kind of fedup with this flavour. For sure with a good cc the flavour change totally, i am talking about the filke played has it comes out from the machine Expand I understand. I think the colors out of the GH5 have improved greatly since the GH3. That was one of the major things we saw first with the GH4 and later with the GH5, where it got even better, and GH5s which is the best color I've seen out of these Panasonic cameras. I usually do little, if any, tweaking with the footage I get unless I'm going for a specific look or absolutely need to. Even though it's a 2 year old camera it's not completely fair to hold that against it. It still does stuff that other cameras don't, and there's still no camera in its price range that matches all of its features. The Panasonic GH5 was so ahead that it took 2 years for everyone else to catch up, and even so they haven't completely. Plus they're still releasing firmware updates to improve performance kye and IronFilm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:34 PM, stefanocps said: may be xt3 is overall and worthy better option over xt30 Expand Its definitely a great camera, though you may not need it. The XT30 has the same H264 image quality and auto focus at a cheaper price. I may have went with the XT30 if it had been released last year when I got the XT3, but I am not sure. I rarely do extensive grading so 8 bit is fine for me 90% of the time realistically. On 2/23/2019 at 5:36 PM, newfoundmass said: I understand. I think the colors out of the GH5 have improved greatly since the GH3. That was one of the major things we saw first with the GH4 and later with the GH5 and GH5s. I usually do little, if any, tweaking with the footage I get unless I'm going for a specific look or absolutely need to. Even though it's a 2 year old camera it's not completely fair to hold that against it. It still does stuff that other cameras don't, and there's still no camera in its price range that matches all of its features. The Panasonic GH5 was so ahead that it took 2 years for everyone else to catch up, and even so they didn't completely. Expand Nothing matches it in terms of overall features. Fuji pretty much has it beat, but no IBIS and of course no 422 if that is your need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:36 PM, newfoundmass said: I understand. I think the colors out of the GH5 have improved greatly since the GH3. That was one of the major things we saw first with the GH4 and later with the GH5 and GH5s. I usually do little, if any, tweaking with the footage I get unless I'm going for a specific look or absolutely need to. Even though it's a 2 year old camera it's not completely fair to hold that against it. It still does stuff that other cameras don't, and there's still no camera in its price range that matches all of its features. The Panasonic GH5 was so ahead that it took 2 years for everyone else to catch up, and even so they didn't completely. Expand yes may be t is not the color what i talk about, (though i think the red dominant is still there) but more is the sharpness. Also i had lots of problem with my gh3, the dial get spolled 2 times...Can't really tell, as i sadi may be it is only a prejudice. But i am with you., with the potentital GH5 looks still a great camera and it is still my possibile choice along wit XT3 On 2/23/2019 at 5:38 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Its definitely a great camera, though you may not need it. The XT30 has the same H264 image quality and auto focus at a cheaper price. I may have went with the XT30 if it had been released last year when I got the XT3, but I am not sure. I rarely do extensive grading so 8 bit is fine for me 90% of the time realistically. Nothing matches it in terms of overall features. Fuji pretty much has it beat, but no IBIS and of course no 422 if that is your need. Expand i don t do either intensive grading, with gh3 i could o little because of my knoledge but also because of the machine itself. I always have wished to be able to do more grading though, and i don t know how the 8 vs 10 bit and 422 vs 420 could affect me (compared to the possibility gh3 offfered me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:38 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Nothing matches it in terms of overall features. Fuji pretty much has it beat, but no IBIS and of course no 422 if that is your need. Expand That's really why Fuji has my attention. I think in the next couple of years we'll see a Fuji that's on the same level as the Panasonic GH series, and maybe even better overall in all the features. It really depends how much they're looking to cater to video shooters; indicators look promising! On 2/23/2019 at 5:40 PM, stefanocps said: yes may be t is not the color what i talk about, (though i think the red dominant is still there) but more is the sharpness. Also i had lots of problem with my gh3, the dial get spolled 2 times...Can't really tell, as i sadi may be it is only a prejudice. But i am with you., with the potentital GH5 looks still a great camera and it is still my possibile choice along wit XT3 Expand When you say sharpness, do you mean too sharp or not sharp enough? Because I too have found times when the GH5 is almost too sharp for me and I'll dial down the sharpness in camera or fix it in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:44 PM, newfoundmass said: That's really why Fuji has my attention. I think in the next couple of years we'll see a Fuji that's on the same level as the Panasonic GH series, and maybe even better overall in all the features. It really depends how much they're looking to cater to video shooters; indicators look promising! When you say sharpness, do you mean too sharp or not sharp enough? Because I too have found times when the GH5 is almost too sharp for me and I'll dial down the sharpness in camera or fix it in post. Expand too sharp, a times seems so electronic image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:49 PM, stefanocps said: too sharp, a times seems so electronic image Expand The Fuji image is more organic. You can grade with 8 bit, I honestly don't think you'll be unhappy with the XT-20. If money isn't an issue go with the XT3, but if its a choice between the XT3 or more lenses I'd get more lenses. If you use the XT3 you'll have to transcode the 10 bit files to prores or something that you can edit. H265 10 bit edits like a snail on most PCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:49 PM, stefanocps said: too sharp, a times seems so electronic image Expand Yes, that can be a problem for sure. It's usually pretty easy to deal with in post or by tweaking picture profile settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:55 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: The Fuji image is more organic. You can grade with 8 bit, I honestly don't think you'll be unhappy with the XT-20. If money isn't an issue go with the XT3, but if its a choice between the XT3 or more lenses I'd get more lenses. If you use the XT3 you'll have to transcode the 10 bit files to prores or something that you can edit. H265 10 bit edits like a snail on most PCs. Expand xt20 or 30? Yes you touch an importan tpoint the editing possibility of h265,..that scares me, my pc is oggd, was ood, t is 4 years old and i fear it could be a nightmare working with xt3 files I wouldnt struggle with xt30 right? or may be i will have less hard time with XH1 also?what about gh5's files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 5:57 PM, stefanocps said: xt20 or 30? Yes you touch an importan tpoint the editing possibility of h265,..that scares me, my pc is oggd, was ood, t is 4 years old and i fear it could be a nightmare working with xt3 files I wouldnt struggle with xt30 right? or may be i will have less hard time with XH1 also?what about gh5's files? Expand Opps I meant the XT30, the XT20 is a big step down. The GH5 10 bit H264 files are easier on the system than Fuji 10 bit H265. Though its likely you may have to transcode both files to prores. 4K even in 8 bit is harder to edit, depends on how fast your PC is. I always edit in 1080 for smoother playback. In general when recording 8 bit the XH1, XT30, and XT3 will all edit the same. The XT3 has the All-I recording option at 400mbps, which is less compressed, so it will edit a bit better. Huge file sizes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 6:09 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Opps I meant the XT30, the XT20 is a big step down. The GH5 10 bit H264 files are easier on the system than Fuji 10 bit H265. Though its likely you may have to transcode both files to prores. 4K even in 8 bit is harder to edit, depends on how fast your PC is. I always edit in 1080 for smoother playback. In general when recording 8 bit the XH1, XT30, and XT3 will all edit the same. The XT3 has the All-I recording option at 400mbps, which is less compressed, so it will edit a bit better. Huge file sizes though. Expand I will edit definitely on 2k also.i want the 4k only because i can crop and this expand edit possibilies. So one of the 3 fuji or gh5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 GH5 files should work pretty well, even on a little older computers. My editing rig is from 2015 and handles the 4K files well, though when doing multicam or lots of grading / FX using proxies isn't the worst idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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