Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 6, 2019 Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2019 Blackmagic RAW has arrived on the Pocket 4K camera, meanwhile Cinema DNG has been remove due to patent claims, and basically being an obsolete format with poor performance and compatibility. I don't really mourn Cinema DNG, but it's a shame they had to remove it for legal reasons. What's very interesting on the hardware side is how Blackmagic are able to deliver such a dramatic firmware update. A lot of consumer cameras have hardware based on ASIC chipsets. The Blackmagic Pocket 4K has a FFPGA (Fast Field Programmable Gate Array) which is a type of chip that can be completely reprogrammed at the hardware level by software commands. This is how Blackmagic are able to deliver such fundamental features as an entire new raw codec, which would have necessitated a hardware change on a normal camera. Blackmagic are providing a BRAW Player as well for MacOS which allows quick preview and playback of clips from the Finder. BRAW clips are a single file unlike Cinema DNG, which is a folder of still DNG frames in sequence. Read the full article Emanuel, KnightsFan and Snowfun 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 6, 2019 Super Members Share Posted March 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Read the full article The link to the rest of the piece is dodgy mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 6, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2019 Oops fixed!! Cas1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Thanks for the thread : ) We've been discussing the topic this afternoon: I guess the achievement is well worthy hence the new discussion corner for. Cas1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Any word if Resolve will still work with DNG files in the Raw Panel? And will the Pocket and Micro lose DNG in a firmware update? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Still lookin for a cinema camera A-Cam and a mirrorless-sized B-Cam that has the same codec, resolutions, color, etc. Black Magic seems to be pretty darn close with BM Raw and the Ursa Mini Pro G2 + Pocket 4K. Neither are my favorite form factor, but BM Raw, in my opinion, is the most modern and robust codec out there right now. Amazing you can get 12-bit raw files in file sizes way smaller than useful ProRes files. Black Magic's color is also great and both cameras can create a really nice image. Would also love if both cameras had the same mount, but adapters work pretty well. Interested to see what comes at NAB, as a Canon RF mount cinema camera (XC-20 or C100 III) would be great. thebrothersthre3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbCinC_12 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, mercer said: Any word if Resolve will still work with DNG files in the Raw Panel? And will the Pocket and Micro lose DNG in a firmware update? That, I wonder too, mercer! Something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcuswolschon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Sadly they also removed Cinema DNG and me as an app-developer using the Blackmagic Camera Control -Bluetooth protocol am in a dilemma. (Cinema DNG removal is due to a patent claim. Can't blame Blackmagic here. It's explained in detail in the video, in case you haven't watched it entirely yet.) Because: Quote Hi Marcus, Unfortunately there is no facility to read back the Camera version with the Camera Control protocol, as such it is not possible to determine whether Cinema-DNG is supported or not. I have put in a change request to add this feature in a future release, but this doesn't help you with this request. Kind Regards (name redacted) They also still haven't added constants for the DCI 4K (BMPCC4K and UMP) and the 4.6K resolutions (URSA Mini Pro) to the Bluetooth protocol despite a " I have submitted a bug internally and I will notify you when we implement this in a future versions of the Camera Control Protocol." in November 2018. The developer documentation for all Blackmagic cameras is still in a state of October 2018. Blog posting: https://marcuswolschon.blogspot.com/2019/03/new-bmpcc4k-firmware-this-time-with-braw.html Android app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=biz.wolschon.bmpcc4krecord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 6, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2019 Who is suing them? Adobe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcuswolschon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Who is suing them? Adobe? They didn't say in the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 6, 2019 Super Members Share Posted March 6, 2019 52 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Who is suing them? Adobe? I would hazard a guess that it might be to do with the method to construct continuous video from it rather than specifically the file format for individual frames, which would make me suspect it was the same company that were suing Atomos until very recently before a licensing arrangement was done. Whether the same license arrangement was not offered due to BM being a rival camera manufacturer or BM decided to turn it down would be a question if it was who I suspect it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Steiner Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Who is suing them? Adobe? Could it be Red? They sued Sony over a compressed RAW format in F5/F55/F65 some years ago. Would be a strange move since the compressed versions of Cinema DNG are in Black Magic Cameras for several years already right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpfilmz Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Michi said: Could it be Red? They sued Sony over a compressed RAW format in F5/F55/F65 some years ago. Would be a strange move since the compressed versions of Cinema DNG are in Black Magic Cameras for several years already right? I’ve heard it was Red as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikolaOvcharski Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I have never used any kind of video RAW. I'm shooting on a green screen. Is the RAW video better for keying compared to 8-bit 4:2:0. I understand that lighting is very important, but I can't understand what impact will have a BRAW footage when keying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 It's truly a great time for camera tech. Every month we get something new and awesome! 2 minutes ago, NikolaOvcharski said: Is the RAW video better for keying compared to 8-bit 4:2:0. The RAW footage from a given camera will almost certainly be better for keying, compared to 8 bit 420 from the same camera. NikolaOvcharski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Goodwin2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 What's up BRAW. Jonesy Jones and Rinad Amir 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This is great for P4K owners. Will be interesting to see if Panasonic doesn’t something, anything, for their GH5S users. My guess is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicnatured Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 When you're suddenly being sued by Red you've clearly got them concerned. Keep stirring up the industry, BM! Sage, kye and Ehetyz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Why not ProresRaw? Apple is asking too much money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I think I remember Grant Perry saying he was not impressed enough with ProRes Raw to bother with including it. Plus do you really want to pay Apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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