Accsoon CineEYE wireless video to your phone

[kye]

This is an interesting product designed for wirelessly sending video to your phone.

There doesn't seem to be huge interest in wireless transmitters on this board, but people go nuts about anything that lets you use your phone as a display, and this might be a slightly bulky way to achieve this outcome.

The video was posted a week or so ago and I expected it to show up but no-one mentioned it.  Maybe it's of interest to someone?  

Specs:

• 140ms delay (3 frames if you're at 24p)
• 100m/328ft range
• 1080p60 signal with variable bitrate depending on distance
• can send to 4 devices simultaneously
• 3.5 hour battery life
• automatically finds the best wifi channel before sending
• the app(?) has various display functions, focus assist, false colour, histogram, zebras, monitor LUTs, markers, zoom, etc

[BTM_Pix]

It has actually featured on here before a couple of months ago as it was featured on Newsshooter IIRC.

The interest is in adding it to cameras that have no integral wifi transmission capability to an app (i.e. the Pocket4K) or for the Fuji cameras where you can have 4K and you can have wifi transmission to an app just not at the same time.

I'm interested in it for both really but primarily the Pocket4K so I can integrate it into 3C as the latency looks better than current bulkier ones I've been developing with.

Not to divert the thread but I think the real future for this stuff is NDI to be honest though and the new Newtek versions are far more compact than the original spark and can do 4K.

Atomos having the cheap NDI module for the Ninja V is a big deal as you can record/monitor from the HDMI port and have the NDI version streamed directly onward from there.

Panasonic have integrated NDI into one of their new compact pro camcorders (CX350) and it is going to be the first of many.

What it currently lacks is a viewer app for mobile devices (although Newtek do an app that turns your device into an NDI camera which is actually pretty good) which will no doubt come over time but, again, this is where the Ninja V comes into it as of course it can also be used as an NDI viewer.  

[Emanuel]

Send me PM, I am able to supply that to you directly from manufacturer for the best price out there : -)

[BTM_Pix]

On 5/2/2019 at 2:11 PM, BTM_Pix said:

What it currently lacks is a viewer app for mobile devices 

And is if by magic, a mobile NDI viewing app shows up the very next day !

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ndi-monitor/id1196221514?ls=1&mt=8

[kye]

On 5/3/2019 at 11:14 PM, BTM_Pix said:

And is if by magic, a mobile NDI viewing app shows up the very next day !

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ndi-monitor/id1196221514?ls=1&mt=8

So:

• What cameras support NDI, and which do you think might be likely to via firmware updates?
• What kind of resolutions / frame rates is this likely to support?
• Latency?
• Can we buy a device that converts HDMI in to NDI out?
• Could this be the first step to having your phone as an external recorder?  (for cameras that only shoot 4K externally for example, like the original RX0, or just other cameras in general?).

These are probably basic questions, but I'm not familiar with this side of the tech.

If this was able to provide a way to effectively get RAW shooting, even if it was just 1080p24/25/30, then that would be spectacular.

[BTM_Pix]

As NDI is a compressed format, its role for most people on here will primarily be for wireless monitoring.

The purpose of NDI is a low loss, low latency method of distributing signals within a network infrastructure and it can handle anything up to 4K60p with latency of 1 frame.

Once you have encoded the signal (and standalone Newtek HDMI>NDI converters are around $450) and it is inside your network it can be displayed and/or processed by any device on the network capable of reading it as though it was a physical connection.

For our monitoring application that means that we can display it on a mobile device, a laptop or a dedicated monitor in the case of the Ninja V or multiple combinations. The distance over which we can monitor the signal from our camera is only limited by our network infrastructure. That this can also extend to cloud based NDI solutions means that that reach can as easily be global as it is local.

The real power of NDI is for live production where you can cheaply and easily create multi camera and multi source productions without the need for big hardware switchers and complex infrastructure for bringing in cameras and remote sources.

For example, software switcher/production systems such as vMix (which people typically run on gaming laptops for portability) have plug-ins that see and use any NDI source on the network it is attached to as though it was a physical input so now you aren't limited to how many cameras you can use by the physical USB/Lightning ports you can attach converters to.

You also aren't limited by how you have to use those inputs either in terms of cable length as once you have converted the camera signal into NDI at the camera end then you can run the signal without loss to the other side of the world if you want to. And this capability is being used with cloud NDI to remotely produce multi camera events from hundreds of miles away without huge trucks in the stadium car park or satellite links.

NDI can also be used as an output format for computers so that these can be used as sources for graphics etc without having to use scan converters and again can be brought in from anywhere in the world in broadcast quality with minimal latency.

NDI can also be used as an input/output format for Skype so remote guests can be brought into shows directly.

So, whilst wireless monitoring is one application of NDI, it really is the tip of the iceberg of what it can do

A bit more of a primer here from Epiphan who incorporate it into their producta.

https://www.epiphan.com/blog/ndi-ndihx-network-video-production

[webrunner5]

Wow that is some impressive Tech! Man how the world has changed in the last few years.

[Emanuel]

No more complaints on the P4K monitor stuck in-body... I guess ; -) LOL

Add one of my fav phones today and you'll have an instantaneous movie theater wherever you want:

Live TV now can reasonably mean live cinema! : -D

[BTM_Pix]

27 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Wow that is some impressive Tech! Man how the world has changed in the last few years.

The implementation costs are virtually free compared to even a couple of years ago and the possibilities with the flexibility it offers are amazing for low cost broadcasting.

Even things like the app versions that turn your smartphone into an NDI camera could be a game changer for on the spot remote reporting.

What it can do inside something like vMix is incredible particularly when you consider you can have this sort of capability on a laptop. When you consider the extent of the patchbays, switches and interfacing you'd need just to handle the input and output source routing that he has at his disposal in this video it is pretty mind blowing to old gits like us!

Then when you add in a Vset3D system, which also uses NDI for its inputs and outputs, on the same network you can be integrating a realtime virtual set system for the price of another gaming computer and the $350 price of the software.

 

[webrunner5]

Oh man when I worked in Broadcast it was Amazing how complex switching was just on the cabling side alone, not counting the cost of the console. It was crazy expensive.

[Davide Bonaldo]

so do you think the Cineeye can be used to stream to a PC?

[BTM_Pix]

2 minutes ago, Davide Bonaldo said:

so do you think the Cineeye can be used to stream to a PC?

They don't currently have a desktop app and the streams isn't accessible over a network using something like VLC etc although a workaround would be to use an Android emulator on the PC to run their app.