kye Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 This video was shared on the CML list and a poll was conducted too. The poll has closed now (I just saw this today) but it's still interesting. The 8 cameras are (in no particular order): The Arri Amira, Red Raven Ursa Mini Pro (G1) Sony FS7 Panasonic EVA1 Panasonic GH5s Kinefinity Terra 4K Canon C200 Here's the video - the answers and poll results are in the comments. KnightsFan and majoraxis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 A better question to ask, in my mind, is "do any of these examples make a big enough difference to truly matter to you?" For some, the answer is "sure," but for the stuff I do, at the budget I do it, I say "nope." That said, I like "E." webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart0less Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 'E' and 'G' looks the best to my eyes with 'G' being a bit more contrasty and detailed than 'E'. Note that I'm viewing it on my phone (like 90% of audience nowadays do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchtape Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Hurray I picked what the polls said (more or less). G,C,B,E,D,F,H,A A is pretty bad IMO but I suppose you can color correct it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Here's my blind opinion. In order of preference, best to worst: G, C, D/E/F, B, H, A A. the only "bad color" to me, way too red/pink B: Maybe a touch more saturation would make it perfect, but he looks a bit too pale and dead C. Pretty good. The only reason it's behind G is it's lacking a touch of richness D. Highlights are ugly. Not bad, though. E. Could use more contrast. It might also be slightly out of focus? His lips don't stand out from the other skin enough. F. Highlights are ugly. I think it's just overexposed a little. Also kinda soft, maybe out of focus. Not enough richness, really. G. This one's good. Nice, rich color, not too much red/pink. This and C and the only ones that look really well exposed. H. Possibly overexposed, but it's just ugly. Pink lips and white skin. Overall, I think G is good, the rest are kinda ok but mainly just overexposed a teeny bit for my taste, and A is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbp Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 A is the GH5s, and I've noticed that V-log with the panasonic LUT has this effect. Skin seems to look much better with different grading on V-log, or a different profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 In the minority, but I prefer the EVA1 to anything else here, down to the highlight clipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 @kye - thanks for sharing this! I did it blind and I put the Arri Amira last so it shows what I know. I think G the USRA was the best over all especially when it came to how it held the key. At first, I picked the Kinefinity Terra 4K first, but upon further review it became my number 2 choice. I'm looking forward to someone doing the GH5S, Pocket 4k, Z CAM E2, Kinefinity Terra 4K test. It seems like Kinefinity is in a league by itself when it comes to image processing from the Dual ISO sensors these camera's m4/3 cameras are using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 I agree with @fuzzynormal in that while there are differences, they aren't huge, and if you really were shooting with the 'worst' of this bunch, the files would be good enough to push and pull around in post. The email thread on CML was titled "Budget camera skin tone shootout" because at the level that those guys are operating, these are all budget cameras(!). In that sense, the fact that none of them are really that bad speaks more to their ability to select good quality cameras rather than anything about the camera market, although the idea that there are no more bad cameras is certainly pretty solid. I've played around with skin tones enough to know that with a couple of very simple adjustments you can balance them across pink/yellow, and with a single Hue vs Hue curve you can even compress the Hue variation to push pinks towards yellow and yellows towards pinks to get more consistency and things in the sweet spot, so even if you're looking at a very saturated and contrasty rec709 output from a cheap and excitable DSLR there are simple solutions to make a serious improvement to the skin tones. On a personal note I find tests such as this quite reassuring, because I picked G as the best, with the other ones I liked also rating highly in the poll. In a sense it confirms that my perception is pretty good, considering I agree with a bunch of professional cinematographers I may not be great at colour grading but at least I know that I like what others like and if I keep practicing then I'll get better because if I do something right then I'll know it when I see it. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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