Patrick B. Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 This is interesting: https://www.techradar.com/news/did-apple-just-blow-the-lid-on-a-new-nikon-8k-camera I remember watching the 8K demo. If it wasn’t a Nikon curious what else could have shot it in ProRes RAW 8K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodlum Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 It was Canon EOS https://m.dpreview.com/news/6880645219/apple-used-an-unreleased-8k-canon-cinema-camera-to-show-off-its-mac-pro-pro-display-xdr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Oh wow! Thanks for the link. Interesting.. That makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Nikon does have a 60MP FF camera using IMX455 in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Ahh that’s interesting as well. Curious what their next moves in the video world will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, androidlad said: Nikon does have a 60MP FF camera using IMX455 in the works. But, do they have a processor capable of handling the data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 4, 2019 Administrators Share Posted June 4, 2019 These are two separate stories. The YouTuber guy claims the Canon with the Sigma 18-35 T2 was shooting 8K to an Atomos Shogun via Dual link SDI. It's only his word we have and absolutely zero proof. Either way it's old news as I think Canon has had a C300-type 8K prototype at various shows for years. The Nikon story is also pure conjecture. Zero proof or evidence. Nikon ambassadors probably shoot stills on a Nikon but 8K on a RED. I wouldn't read much else into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip77 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Nikon usually shoots it's own Ambassadors with Nikon video gear. Who knows but would Apple want a Nikon type company to be able to give us 8K or an expensive Canon 8K Camera Head? Apple is targeting the masses. 9 hours ago, Mokara said: But, do they have a processor capable of handling the data? Processors are mini computers and of course they do. https://www.nikon.com/products/semi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, hoodlum said: https://m.dpreview.com/news/6880645219/apple-used-an-unreleased-8k-canon-cinema-camera-to-show-off-its-mac-pro-pro-display-xdr I'm sure Ami wasn't using that! He is a brand ambassador for Nikon. While that doesn't mean he *MUST* use Nikon (so maybe he used a RED 8K??), it does however mean the chances is next to nil that he was using a brand new prototype Canon 8K cinema camera for a high profile spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Cinematographer Mark Toia has confirmed that it was shot on RED Monstro 8K. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The 2nd last image at the bottom of the page is a Canon 8k Camera of the Cinema line (obviously). It video seems to be fed into the new Mac too. http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/2184-apple-announce-the-new-mac-pro-pro-display-xdr-at-wwdc-2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, sanveer said: The 2nd last image at the bottom of the page is a Canon 8k Camera of the Cinema line (obviously). It video seems to be fed into the new Mac too. http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/2184-apple-announce-the-new-mac-pro-pro-display-xdr-at-wwdc-2019 OP is talking about the nature demo footage shot in Kenya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, androidlad said: OP is talking about the nature demo footage shot in Kenya. Sorry. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 5, 2019 Administrators Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, androidlad said: Cinematographer Mark Toia has confirmed that it was shot on RED Monstro 8K. Case closed. Thanks for the spot. I checked Mark's facebook page and it's case closed. Front paged it https://www.eoshd.com/2019/06/supposed-nikon-8k-camera-footage-was-actually-shot-on-red-monstro-vv/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Thanks guys. Yeah just saw the article. I was initially puzzled as I didn’t think a RED could do ProRes Raw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted June 5, 2019 Super Members Share Posted June 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Patrick B. said: Thanks guys. Yeah just saw the article. I was initially puzzled as I didn’t think a RED could do ProRes Raw. Or "would" After all these years Reds raw format is still the best I've ever used. Love the workflow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Would not an Apple/Nikon partnership in imaging make sense? Nikon is a great name in optics, but has no real partner in digital or electronics, while Apple has those, but is not a player in optics. A hookup would avoid the humiliation of Nikon going to Samsung or Sony for their electronics and systems integration, plus Apple could fund Nikon from their petty change account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, etudiant said: Would not an Apple/Nikon partnership in imaging make sense? Nikon is a great name in optics, but has no real partner in digital or electronics, while Apple has those, but is not a player in optics. A hookup would avoid the humiliation of Nikon going to Samsung or Sony for their electronics and systems integration, plus Apple could fund Nikon from their petty change account. Neither Nikon nor Apple makes image sensors, they all go to Sony Semicon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Skip77 said: Nikon usually shoots it's own Ambassadors with Nikon video gear. Who knows but would Apple want a Nikon type company to be able to give us 8K or an expensive Canon 8K Camera Head? Apple is targeting the masses. Processors are mini computers and of course they do. https://www.nikon.com/products/semi/ I am well aware of what a processor is. Are you? Having processors and having processors capable of handling the data stream within a cameras thermal envelope are two completely different things. That is why camera's video capabilities are usually limited. It is not an issue with the sensor, the processors can't handle the data throughput without overheating. That is where the bottleneck is. Panasonic have the most efficient processors (which is why they usually have the most advanced video capabilities in smaller cameras - sensors have nothing to do with it, everyone's sensors are capable of far more than what the processor can handle). After them comes Sony. Nikon are a way back from that and Canon are in the far distant rear. 1 hour ago, androidlad said: Neither Nikon nor Apple makes image sensors, they all go to Sony Semicon. They do however design them. Apple doesn't make anything itself. But it does design everything that is made for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Mokara said: I am well aware of what a processor is. Are you? Having processors and having processors capable of handling the data stream within a cameras thermal envelope are two completely different things. That is why camera's video capabilities are usually limited. It is not an issue with the sensor, the processors can't handle the data throughput without overheating. That is where the bottleneck is. Panasonic have the most efficient processors (which is why they usually have the most advanced video capabilities in smaller cameras - sensors have nothing to do with it, everyone's sensors are capable of far more than what the processor can handle). After them comes Sony. Nikon are a way back from that and Canon are in the far distant rear. They do however design them. Apple doesn't make anything itself. But it does design everything that is made for them. With newer generation sensors capable of more on-chip capabilities such as on-chip binning, on-chip oversampling and so on, the sheer power of processors is starting to become irrelevant. And no, Sony design the sensors, Nikon and Apple buy them off-the-shelf, they do make minor customisations. Fujifilm swapped the standard Bayer mask to X-Trans and that's the biggest customisation Sony ever allowed. If you buy a car and do a custom paint, can you say you designed the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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