Need some advice on pc setup for raw

[Wgocin]

Hello there!
Im looking forward to buying a pc rig in order to heavy raw editing

with a 5d mk3. Resolve, premiere etc... My budget is around 1400

euros and so far I´ve come to this:

 

http://es.pcpartpicker.com/p/1dtxX

 

My focus is to have realtime play ¿Could I?

And other question is, could you recommend me a good

monitor for color correction? sub 250-300eu.
 

Thank you very much.

 

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Bump for interest, since getting my BMCC I'd like to build a new PC between about $1,500-2,000 AUD that will be able to handle a RAW workflow also with Resolve and Premiere. 

[Axel]

And other question is, could you recommend me a good

monitor for color correction? sub 250-300eu.

 

 

I can't recommend it, but I am as you evaluating my options. The Dell Ultrasharp U2711 with 2,5k resolution also features 10.7 billion colors instead of measly 16,7 millions. It's 10-bit (EDIT: It isn't, see below). Though we are living in an 8-bit environment predominantly, I am confident that this is changig fast. And how about actually seeing the colors you manipulate in 12-bit, at least for 10-bit? The bigger resolution helps insofar, as Resolve has a one-monitor GUI.The monitor gets sold used for ~300 € at ebay, sometimes 400 € with a dealer's warranty. I'd like to hear opinions on that.

 

Note, that Resolve 10 Beta is available for Windows as download (The Mac download page says "0kb" still). With Resolve 10, I guess our lives will become easier. It states to handle variable speed changes with optical flow and compound clips. The latter two FCP X terms, which lets me hope the download will work soon.

[/p/]

If you have Resolve 9 from BMCC will the dongle still let you work with 10?

[Axel]

If you have Resolve 9 from BMCC will the dongle still let you work with 10?

 

I read it will be a free upgrade for Resolve 9 owners. I also read the Resolve Lite beta is not restricted to 1080. I also read the Dell monitor above (and later models of the series) is no real 10-bit despite the billion colors. Sigh.

[Brellivids]

 

Hello there!
Im looking forward to buying a pc rig in order to heavy raw editing

with a 5d mk3. Resolve, premiere etc... My budget is around 1400

euros and so far I´ve come to this:

 

http://es.pcpartpicker.com/p/1dtxX

 

My focus is to have realtime play ¿Could I?

And other question is, could you recommend me a good

monitor for color correction? sub 250-300eu.
 

Thank you very much.

 

 

For RAW .. you will need alot of HHD*s .. so you need a large case as well. 

 

Swap the case for Fractal Design XL 2

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=111

 

Swap the cooler for a cheaper non Zalman. Zalman uses non sntandard fans and is very expensive. 

Look out for Noctua. 

 

You can cut down on price by choosing a different graphics card by getting a GTX 670 .. Still quite powerfull enough solution. Specially if you plan on running Premiere.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/ASUS_GeForce_GTX_670

Like that Asus pretty much the best  GTX670 available. 

 

Try to choose another memory kit .. A kit that does not have that long heatsinks. The heatsink like that are useless and may interfere with some heatsinks. Buy a standard kit of 2x8GB .. so later on you can add it up to 32GB. Dont buy windows 7 HOME premium. IT's ram support is limited to pathetic 24GB .. WIndows 7 Pro is the one to choose. 

 

If possible get a Westerndigital 3/4 TB Red harddisks. they are efficient, silent and resonably priced. 

 

When Choosing a monitor make sure it has a IPS panel .. or a more recent IPS tech panel. 

A good monitor might be The AOC 29" ultrawide .. or the LG derivate of same kind. all these 29" ultriwide models use the same LG panel.

 

Here's a review of the AOC. Notice it can be calibrated to have very good colors. 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/aoc-q2963pm-ultra-wide-review,3591.html

 

 

I personally opted to get 32GB of ram two kits of the same type.. This way I was guranteed to have same memory from the start.  A reasonable choise for a system disk is the Westerndigital's latest Velociraptor line.

I have a 500GB one for software and an older 150GB for the OS. SSD's are nice but pricey. 

[Axel]

If you have Resolve 9 from BMCC will the dongle still let you work with 10?

 

And more. As you know, Resolve now exports JPEG2000, the standard codec for cinema packages. They decided to be consequent and added this. Not that there were no free alternatives already, but Fraunhofer are like the masters of codecs, sounds terrific.

 

@Brellivids

Sure about the AOC? Are you making anamorphotic films?

[Brellivids]

In the days .. I spent two years choosing a 24" monitor that would replace my 19 Eizo. Then I finally settled for a HP-LP2475W.. I'm still using it.

 

These days there are alot of good models to choose from. Even Asus has PRO-Graphics focused product.

 

USB3-hub and all.

http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PA279Q

True Color, Absolute Fidelity: Professional 27” Pre-calibrated AH-IPS 16:9 2560 x 1440 WQHD LED-backlit Monitor

 

@Axel

It's interesting product segment. There are multiple models based on the same panel. AOC is just one of them and aparently the more expensive LG model might be bit better.

 

This one.

http://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-29EA93

[HurtinMinorKey]

Why does everyone feel like they need fancy monitor for grading?  Don't we want to make sure the grade looks good on the average monitor?

 

I see the same issue brought up in Audio. A lot of guys will actually master with i-pod headphones because that's what their audience will be listening on. 

[Axel]

Why does everyone feel like they need fancy monitor for grading? Don't we want to make sure the grade looks good on the average monitor?

Yeah, that's the idea. If there was such a thing. Reality has everybody sitting in front of a worst-case-monitor, but every single one for different reasons. Some are too dark, some too bright, some are blue, some are green, some are yellow. I am trying to get my monitors as neutral as possible, without spending too much money ('cause I am a bloody amateur). I have two Syncmasters, calibrated regularly with Spyder Pro. Unfornutaley, they are now two years old, and the values are already out of range.

I had and have access to digital projection, and I saw quite a lot of my stuff on the big screen. In former times, the experience was badly disappointing. There were sooo many mistakes I only saw in this size. I was so embarrassed, I wanted to signal my co-worker to close the douser, immediately. Then I decided to do something about it.

A video graded on a neutral monitor will look best on every average shitty consumers' monitor. A DVD of a Hollywood film, upscaled with the excellent hardware of the projection room, will look way better than any fullHD video, graded on an average shitty monitor.

 

The false assumption of the thousands of MagicBullet users is that a colorist applies a stylish look and little else. He makes the image shine, he optimizes and balances before and after he applies any look. He couldn't do with a monitor that, for instance, has a slight blue cast, because he would counterbalance this with yellow, and the result would show a yellow cast on most other displays.

These are the principles.

Besides, BM designs a cinema workflow. Wouldn't it be nice, if you didn't have to second-guess too much? Are we all happy with 8-bit @ 2 mbps for Vimeo?

 

I see the same issue brought up in Audio. A lot of guys will actually master with i-pod headphones because that's what their audience will be listening on.

 

Again, I can't afford the real stuff. I have a Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro, recommended by a friend. I hear things I never heard with other systems. Test this: Audionamix extracted a real 'modern' clear and powerful 5.1 sound out of a 50 year old optical mono track from Psycho (Bluray). In the Extras-section about the restoration the audio engineer said, they could hear the birds inside the studio chirp (because the old studios were like barns). As a demo, they ran a silent part, where the detective enters the house. I could hear the birds only with my headphones. The part with the birds is missing in the shortened youtube-version here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KZqK6YYjE

 

Same thing: You can change something for the better only, if you know what's there in the first place. If what you see or hear is heavily distorted by your hardware, you'll make things worse.

Do I need a 5000 $ external monitor? Prices rise exponentially, equipment that gives you one percent more accuracy will cost you twenty times as much. I think the unvaluable virtue is to stay aware of the limitations, to know how easily the eye is deceived. There are cheap methods to get from, say, 85% reliability to 98%, painting the walls in a neutral grey, calibrating your monitors, use balanced 5600K backlight, always judge by the scopes too. Then you can insert your own clip as DCP with 12-bit 2k cinema trailers and be relieved to see they look as you expect them to look.

[jgharding]

The U2711 is a great monitor, good prices now too, I use one on one system.

 

Grading monitors are better sure but extremely expensive.

 

I'm using an older slightly worn out one of these: http://www.expandore.com/product/JVC/Monitor/JVC_Monitor11.htm

 

not even full HD specs wise BUT the specs alone don't tell the story.

 

You can see more fine detail on this than you can using the U2410 that's next to it.

 

The cheapo U2410 is "1080p" but has nowhere the resolution of the 1680*1050 JVC, which has to scale the footage to display 16:9, and still shows more fine detail. 

 

This is analogous to many electronics.

 

In audio, your in ear buds may say "17Hz-25kHz" as do a nice set of PMC BB5 XBD-A speakers (look em up ;) ) but the experience is far from the same...

 

If I hadn't plugged the JVC in I might've written it off (found as it was in the back of a cupboard) and would've been missing out!

 

I digress though, the U2711 is great, for a good price.

[jgharding]

Why does everyone feel like they need fancy monitor for grading?  Don't we want to make sure the grade looks good on the average monitor?

 

I see the same issue brought up in Audio. A lot of guys will actually master with i-pod headphones because that's what their audience will be listening on. 

 

It's possible to master using earbuds as part of the toolkit, but I'd use them as a reference not main playback.

 

You can't accurately analyse phase relationships on something like that.

 

I reference on this, to find out what it sounds like on shit speakers, 

 

 

but if i mixed or mastered on it I'd miss all kinds of glaring things that would affect playback on other systems.

 

Working in a flat environment allows you to minimise the effect that the idiosyncrasies on any given playback system will have on your vision, whether it's for the eyes, or the ears... ;)