Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 12, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Emanuel said: External recorder via HDMI or/and SSD recording mounted on USB-C? Both but from the HDMI recorders they list as being compatible it will only be the USB-C that will be recording RAW. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, androidlad said: ISO6 is intended for landscape photography. So, if I make a few assumptions... Assuming it does multiple frames to not clip due to overexposure, ISO 6 requires 16 frames, ISO 12 requires 8, 24 requires 4, 48 requires 2 and 96 can do it in one. Therefore its base ISO for video will be 100, which isn't anything impressive at all. I have an app for my iPhone that does long exposures by doing many short exposures and averaging them, which seems to be a similar logic to the low ISO via multiple exposures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusPrime Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 hours ago, androidlad said: ISO6 is intended for landscape photography. Hey! Check your DMs please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 While I don't think this Sigma camera will be my A-Cam or B-Cam, or perhaps the most useful tool out there (the BMPCC4K and Fuji XT3 were fatally flawed in my eyes by battery life and this seems to be the same), it does highlight the reason I was very excited about the L-Mount and what the future will be. I usually use a proper video camera (now, EVA-1) and a second gimbal camera that can also take nice stills (now, GH5) for most of my work, but then also have a small camera for just walking around to take photos (now, the GX9). Based on my preferred image quality, I would use either Panasonic or Canon (Sony is out for me and BMD is nice, but no real photo cameras). I've been wanting to unite my lens mount and the L-Mount definitely showed some promise. Looks like my GH5 will be replaced by the S1 once I get the firmware upgrade and definitely by the S1H when that is released. I'm guessing the next iteration of the EVA-1 will have an L-Mount option, which would be fantastic. But, outside of Leica (which is just too expensive for what you get), I didn't really think I would get a small, take-anywhere camera anytime soon - but Sigma has come through! And the fact that it may have even better video specs than the S1 is pretty amazing really. So the future looks like: A Cam: EVA-2 B Cam: S1/S1H C Cam (Take anywhere cam): Sigma FP So far, the B Cam & C Cam are a pretty large upgrade from the MFT counterparts. Hopefully, Panasonic gives us an L-Mount cinema camera soon. Looking forward to the future of the L-Mount. Hopefully Panasonic or Sigma step up with a lightweight F2 prime series soon. Sigma's lens "roadmap" seems to be just for their DLSR port-overs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few more releases this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I hope a Foveon version is in the works... with larger battery. I love the imagery. Speaking of the announcement, it seems Sigma have added a lot of AI to the new camera, comparable to the tech we are seeing in modern smartphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted July 12, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, DBounce said: I hope a Foveon version is in the works... with larger battery. I love the imagery. A FF Foveon is confirmed for 2020. henricus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, currensheldon said: Looking forward to the future of the L-Mount. Many people saw the L mount as a hindrance to getting a S1 but it’s looking like it’s going to be the closest thing to a universal mount for full frame cameras. currensheldon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: A FF Foveon is confirmed for 2020. Yes, but will it be as capable a video camera as the fp is apparently projected to be. I wonder also about the quoted dr; At 12.5 stops in 2019... which is now a 14 plus stop world, is there room to improve this, or is it a limitation of the hardware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said: A FF Foveon is confirmed for 2020. Yeah but will it be able to do video? Maybe not. Might be too much data to handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted July 12, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, DBounce said: Yes, but will it be as capable a video camera as the fp is apparently projected to be. I wonder also about the quoted dr; At 12.5 stops in 2019... which is now a 14 plus stop world, is there room to improve this, or is it a limitation of the hardware? 1 minute ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah but will it be able to do video? Maybe not. Might be too much data to handle it. No idea. I've had Sigma Foveon cameras both with and without video. Personally I hope they leave video out of it like they have on the Quattro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: No idea. I've had Sigma Foveon cameras both with and without video. Personally I hope they leave video out of it like they have on the Quattro. What Foveon camera did you have that had video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, DBounce said: Yes, but will it be as capable a video camera as the fp is apparently projected to be. I wonder also about the quoted dr; At 12.5 stops in 2019... which is now a 14 plus stop world, is there room to improve this, or is it a limitation of the hardware? I dont think there is enough financial investment in foveon technology to make it compete with cmos yet for sensitivity and speed. However, iirc, one obstacle was that foveon images required a lot of processing power to make images. If sigma sticks with Raw video, perhaps they could make a decent video camera by offloading that processing to post. That really depends on how you measure. Sigma says 12.5 "usable" stops, which is where many current DSLMs stand now. We will have to wait and see the tests I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 12, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: What Foveon camera did you have that had video? The DP1-3M's have got video. Its fair to say that its not quite as good as the stills quality of those cameras. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I had one of those, and I don't consider Movies in 320 x 240 pixels (QVGA) @ 30 fps to actually Be video lol. But those cameras take some pretty amazing photos even today. My Avatar was taken with the one I owned. It looks better, well maybe worse, ? at full size. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Looks interesting at least, ie, not another 'near as same difference' camera. I'm actually more than happy with my XT3 for video and XH1 for stills and the only thing lacking for me is IBIS in the former and the latest spec innards not in the latter, ie, gimme an XH2! But this thing is at least interesting! Brian Williams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 12, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: I had one of those, and I don't consider Movies in 320 x 240 pixels (QVGA) @ 30 fps to actually Be video lol. The M versions were actually VGA. That made all the difference webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Williams Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, MrSMW said: I'm actually more than happy with my XT3 for video and XH1 for stills and the only thing lacking for me is IBIS in the former and the latest spec innards not in the latter, ie, gimme an XH2! I agree, bless the X-T3, its the one camera I've owned (out of, unfortunately, many) that has withstood the constant onslaught of 'newer-and-better' temptations, I almost feel cured of GAS. This Sigma, though, may have to be a second body for me. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 What are the alternatives if you want the equivalent of Cinema DNG 4k 12bit full frame video recording? and at what price? I admit it, I have not done the research as it was not on my radar before this announcement. I hope that those who were already in the market could share what alternatives there are that this will compete against. I'm thinking that this is a good value (pending the price and total configuration cost to shoot Cinema DNG) because of people's reaction to the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, majoraxis said: What are the alternatives if you want the equivalent of Cinema DNG 4k 12bit full frame video recording? and at what price? Other than a Canon 5D mk II, mk III using ML I don't think Any FF camera under 80,000 dollars can?? And I don't think even the Canon can just shoot continuous in 4K very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrebenR Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah but will it be able to do video? Maybe not. Might be too much data to handle it. No video for the Foveon FF. I don't remember where I read it but pretty sure I read it in an interview with the CEO recently. If you want high ISO or video the fp is the one you need. Foveon sensors are limited by physics when it comes to high iso, so I very much doubt the new will be very different from the older ones. If the Foveon ff had video and high ISO, why would Sigma need to make a FF Bayer sensor camera? I really look forward to reviews of this fp camera and the Foveon FF next year. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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