Thomas Hill Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 58 minutes ago, nathlas said: You are Sigma designer. You are about to release in few months the very first FF foveon mirrorless camera. You know the disadvantages of Foveon technology ( huge weakness on video capture, severe weakness on still photography on high iso) What you think to keep your clients happy ? You release a small not foveon body with same mount and same sensor size to be part of a set with upcoming FF Foveon camera....FP will do whatever Foveon could not , body size is not that big to fit in your bag and suddensly you have a solution capable of everything. And you also say, "Hey let's use the letter F for the camera that does NOT use a Foveon sensor!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathlas Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I believe that new camera will start with something like F1 or FV1. S (from SD1 serie) has been catched now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wind1414 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 SlashCAM says video has a 1.5 crop. Any Info if thats true?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 14, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, wind1414 said: SlashCAM says video has a 1.5 crop. Any Info if thats true?? Slashcam refer to the crop as being in the specification "The Sigma fp will be equipped with a 35mm Bayer sensor with 24.6 effective MP exposed at the back (so not with a Foveon sensor like the Sigma Quattro). In the technical data for the camera, however, a crop of 1.5 is mentioned, which will most likely be effective in film mode." If you look at the specification, the crop (or Clop as its spelt in the document ) is actually mentioned in reference to still formats rather than video. So the crop reference is purely there is to indicate the resolution you will get in stills mode when you attach an existing L mount APS-C lens like the Leica ones or Sigma's own upcoming crop lenses. I will have to resist all urges to refer to this as Jurgen mode when I attach an APS-C lens to it. wind1414 and webrunner5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of squig Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I'm super interested in this camera. It looks like finally after 7 years there may be a camera that can do what the 5DMk3 with Magic Lantern can do and more. About the only concern I have at this point is that the FP doesn't have an OLPF, the Z6 does. I hope it is a 1.5x crop, if not an option. Paired with the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 OIS lens it could be an awesome setup for doco and narrative work. With HDR it should be capable of around 14 stops like the 5D is with Magic Lantern dual ISO mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Also lacks 4K/60p, no idea why even along lower bit depth if necessary... To me, it is a deal breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 15, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 15, 2019 Same reason Magic Lantern also offer 8bit and 10bit raw... Reduces file size and reduces cost of media as it doesn't need such fast cards. It's a form of compression basically. Oh yes, it took 7 years for camera industry to deliver what Magic Lantern achieved on 2012 hardware Well done camera industry. Give them another few months and they will even do playback in-camera!! And not in monochrome only! I've wanted a small, affordable, uncompressed raw video shooting full frame camera forever. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Seems pretty cool. HDR could be nice if done right. Pocket 4k still seems pretty unbeatable having 60 and 120fps RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Seems pretty cool. HDR could be nice if done right. Pocket 4k still seems pretty unbeatable having 60 and 120fps RAW. And XLR Based on Sigma's pricing of their other cameras, and on the current FF cameras out there, I don't really see this competing with the P4K price wise. I'd be over the moon to be proven wrong though. That is until RED jump in with their lawyers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 $999.00 would not surprise me. Like has been said, it is basically just a sensor in a box. Off the shelf Sensor probably, little screen, no EVF, just a rectangle, no special battery tech, no Hot Shoe on the camera, on and on, it can't cost that much to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Hill Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Oh well https://www.l-rumors.com/the-new-sigma-fp-will-be-very-expensive/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 15, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 15, 2019 So called source is talking about the production costs / R&D expense of making the camera, not the market pricing of it. Then again I wouldn't expect a rumours site to let the truth get in the way of a good headline. Thomas Hill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of squig Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: I've wanted a small, affordable, uncompressed raw video shooting full frame camera forever. Too early to call it the baby Alexa I’ve been hanging for, but judging by the specs and the fact Sigma is already in the Cine lens business, this camera looks like the ultimate crash cam for big budget features, and even a B-cam for low light shots, assuming the color science is good and rolling shutter is minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, The ghost of squig said: Too early to call it the baby Alexa I’ve been hanging for, but judging by the specs and the fact Sigma is already in the Cine lens business, this camera looks like the ultimate crash cam for big budget features, and even a B-cam for low light shots, assuming the color science is good and rolling shutter is minimal. One of my goals over the next year is to do more still photography and the Sigma Quattro was at the top of my list because I love the rich color from Sigma cameras. Hopefully they can match that with the FP. But I don’t know how much the Foveon sensor plays into that with their stills cameras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Supposedly, the Sigma FP is going to be 'very expensive'. https://www.l-rumors.com/the-new-sigma-fp-will-be-very-expensive/#disqus_thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Robert Collins said: Supposedly, the Sigma FP is going to be 'very expensive'. https://www.l-rumors.com/the-new-sigma-fp-will-be-very-expensive/#disqus_thread That was just posted. ? But yeah we'll see I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, mercer said: One of my goals over the next year is to do more still photography and the Sigma Quattro was at the top of my list because I love the rich color from Sigma cameras. Hopefully they can match that with the FP. But I don’t know how much the Foveon sensor plays into that with their stills cameras? The rich colors of Sigma are down to the Foveon sensor that captures full color on every pixel as opposed to 'bayer' sensors that only capture one color per pixel and then interpolates the color through processing. One drawback of the Foveon sensor is poor lowlight performance. The other - more significant in my eyes at least - drawback is post editing. You have to use Sigma software and you can see the problem at the 10 minute mark of this video.... But the FP will be almost useless as a stills camera. Without a mechanical shutter, you will get rolling shutter rather like using a modern mirrorless in silent mode (unless it is a Sony A9.) Which means shot can come out like this.... even without subject movement..... mercer and Emanuel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Robert Collins said: The rich colors of Sigma are down to the Foveon sensor that captures full color on every pixel as opposed to 'bayer' sensors that only capture one color per pixel and then interpolates the color through processing. One drawback of the Foveon sensor is poor lowlight performance. The other - more significant in my eyes at least - drawback is post editing. You have to use Sigma software and you can see the problem at the 10 minute mark of this video.... But the FP will be almost useless as a stills camera. Without a mechanical shutter, you will get rolling shutter rather like using a modern mirrorless in silent mode (unless it is a Sony A9.) Which means shot can come out like this.... even without subject movement..... Good info, thanks. Other than a couple production stills, I’ve never been a stills shooter. With that said, I probably wouldn’t use the FP as a hybrid, I tend to like to keep my equipment set up for one task. And if I do go the hybrid route, for stills and casual video, I’d probably go with something that has IBIS. It will be interesting to see if the Foveon version will have a cine mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Wow looks like that woman has a Brown and and a Blue eye! Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 To match teal and orange look! *it's when life follows art or just vice versa justified* : -D webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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