Michael Steiner Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 The self-hosted Video looks better in Safari than anything I have seen on Vimeo and YouTube so far – good job Mr. Reid! But in Chrome the Thumbnail remains visible after pressing play while sound is playing fine (iMac 5K, 2017). Is that only happening on my Computer? And yes – great IQ on the S1! Impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andjo Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I finally recieved the mc-21 adapter today so I did some totally unscientific moire tests after seeing that dpreview chart which I thought initially looked very sketchy. To my suprise it did conform to reality. The S1 does seem to suffer from alot of moire in APS-C mode. I find the levels of moire in aps-c is near unacceptable, I believe panasonic has messed up here in their quality control. Also the 4k image is a bit softer than expected. However in 24/30p the moire levels are very low and the image is much cleaner so there it delivers stellar results. I think S1's strong points is its dynamic range and low light performance but it does come with some drawbacks unfortunately (atleast for us that mainly got it for its 4k60 and high frame rate modes..). Setup: S1 firmware 1.2 GH5 vanilla firmware + dummy adapter Lens: Samyang 85/1,5 AS IF UMC II VDSLR at f4 S1 settings: All default. Standard picture profile and 8-bit video. Might try to play around later and see if the moire can be lowered with some settings adjustments. webrunner5, Geoff_L, Kisaha and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 INTERESTING! Did you try in APS-C using 30p? Could there be some pixel binning on the readout in 60p that does not exist in 30p? Binning might be what his "helping" it's ability to do 60 frames in 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Here's another piece (not mine) with 10-bit 4:2:2 Vlog and some 60p. Geoff_L and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega1978 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 At the moment i don´t have the Vlog upgrade ( in Italy i have to pay for it) but i am very with the result from every shot i come back. i don`t know if the upgrade brings a lot shooting weeding ?!? mixed 50p flat and HLG, DJI Osmo pocket + Mavic 2P webrunner5 and BTM_Pix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, omega1978 said: i don`t know if the upgrade brings a lot shooting weeding ?!? The market for weeding videos hasn't really matured yet. Hedge trimming might work, but weeding get's a bit repetitive watching after even just a few minutes ?. Patrick B., Trek of Joy and omega1978 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 6, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 6, 2019 I've never been able to sit through a wedding video. Total respect for people that make them, but I'm really glad I've stayed away from that business.. Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Well to be fair they are really only meant to entertain the people in the wedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 The guy will look back at that haircut 20 years from now and cringe. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: The guy will look back at that haircut 20 years from now and cringe. not that super nice to say but too funny! webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Hi all ! For the S1 + MC21 owners : do you have a manual lens with contactors to try, like a samyang/rokinon ? I am debating between a 14mm f2.8, 20mm 1.8, and a IRIX 15mm f2.4. Both samyang lenses are available with or without contactors and aperture control ("AE" in the name of the lens). I ask because I read several persons having problems with a Nikon Z6 and FTZ adaptor + samyang lens WITH contactors. They were forced to tape the contactors on the lens to avoid wild behavior. I wonder if it could be the same with MC 21+ S1... In that case, I would opt for a non-contactors version. I found a big list of compatibility, but no samyang/rokinon : https://www.tttphotography.com/sigma-mc-21-ef-l-lens-adapter-compatibility/ Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: The guy will look back at that haircut 20 years from now and cringe. or maybe 2 years from now ? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 6, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Well to be fair they are really only meant to entertain the people in the wedding. I get that, but even if it was my own wedding I would never have a video made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mattias Burling said: I get that, but even if it was my own wedding I would never have a video made I'd want it but really just coverage not any of the fancy editing with music or staged stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahownie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 12:28 AM, ac6000cw said: Just so we know, is this with 4k24p, 4k30, 4k60 or 1080p, and using FF or APS-C mode? On 8/6/2019 at 12:22 AM, Andrew Reid said: LOL. It's not the camera. What problem with your computer / display do you have? What player did you see the moire in? It's more evident 1080 25p. Found it through all the resolution thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Mahownie said: It's more evident 1080 25p. That matches the results in the dpreview 'Video Still Comparison' images - the 1080p moire looks worse than the Sony A6300/6400/6500 and the A7 III (which also have some at 1080p). That said, at FF 4K it's not visible on the test charts. so are you sure the 4k moire you are seeing is not a result of downscaling in the monitor or software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega1978 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 10 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said: I'd want it but really just coverage not any of the fancy editing with music or staged stuff. Strange opinions here, the couple received a 1 min cut for FB, 3 min trailer( in this case he is a big Mustang Fan and a crazy person, so the cut is how he like that) a 15 min cut and 45-60 min reportage of the hole day ( mixed original sound and music ) We have a very funny time, nothing staged, simple let do the couple what he like... Mmmbeats and webrunner5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Trek of Joy said: Here's another piece (not mine) with 10-bit 4:2:2 Vlog and some 60p. I really like the look. He mentions having used Varicam LUT (I guess the free ones offered buy Panasonic ?) and Juan Melara's LUT (did not know he offered LUT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega1978 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 About moire, in real world i never noticed, even on classic problem shirts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 7, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, omega1978 said: Strange opinions here, Im sorry if our discussion made it sound as if we where putting down the work you do. That was never my (and I suspect anyone else) intention. It was merely a side discussion about how I have huge respect for you guys shooting weddings but that Im at the same time very glad I don't have/need to make them. Because they are simply not my cup of tea to watch and/or make. Mmmbeats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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