deezid Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Used the Moza Air 2 gimbal on a manfrotto monopod. Worked quite well. Yes, was in Egypt for a week. Music is in the description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 This clipping issue sucks badly. Pretty much a no go as I do wedding videos. Hello blue DJ light clipping Geoff CB and Thpriest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjfan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 @deezid Thanks man, I tried to see the music but the video is embedded only, it won't let me click on the video on vimeo, maybe it's set to private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ale82 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 9:08 PM, deezid said: But the S1(H) has a serious problem: Blue and yellow color clipping which unlike the red clipping on the P4K cannot be recovered in post because there's no more data left. Prepare yourself for lots of reshoots. Expand Do these clippings occur with artificial light or also with natural light? Artficial lighting can have any kind of strange light components and can always be turned off. All the blue clipping image samples looks like they involve led lights. Do this clippings occur also with natural situations like a good saturated blue sky, a green grass field, a nice yellow sunset, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 9:46 AM, 1Ale82 said: Do these clippings occur with artificial light or also with natural light? Artficial lighting can have any kind of strange light components and can always be turned off. All the blue clipping image samples looks like they involve led lights. Do this clippings occur also with natural situations like a good saturated blue sky, a green grass field, a nice yellow sunset, etc? Expand The yellow clipping can be seen even on yellow blossoms in the sun. The blue clipping appeared in one of my clips with a colorful blue shirt in direct sunlight also. Blue lights and logos in the streets can't be turned off in general. The blue clipping also appears when something blue is shown on TVs, phones etc. And it happens with proper exposure without any ETTR. It really shouldn't Thpriest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 12:15 PM, deezid said: The yellow clipping can be seen even on yellow blossoms in the sun. The blue clipping appeared in one of my clips with a colorful blue shirt in direct sunlight also. Blue lights and logos in the streets can't be turned off in general. The blue clipping also appears when something blue is shown on TVs, phones etc. And it happens with proper exposure without any ETTR. It really shouldn't Expand Hopefully a software issue and not a sensor problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 @deezid Can you shoot with a warmer WB to compensate, or even tweak the WB Matrix like you can with Panasonic MFT cameras, then correct in post? deezid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 4:11 PM, mercer said: @deezid Can you shoot with a warmer WB to compensate, or even tweak the WB Matrix like you can with Panasonic MFT cameras, then correct in post? Expand What if I have both yellow and blue in one shot? Not a solution sadly either - even if it works in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 4:45 PM, deezid said: What if I have both yellow and blue in one shot? Not a solution sadly either - even if it works in some cases. Expand True... that would require some creative art direction... “In a world where the colors yellow and blue do not exist...” ? deezid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 4:50 PM, mercer said: True... that would require some creative art direction... “In a world where the colors yellow and blue do not exist...” ? Expand Sin City...Sin City wedding, Sin City documentary, Sin City corporate video...maybe this is what Panasonic had in mind? mercer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega1978 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 With WB at 5600K and underexpose 2 stops the clipping goes away in HLG.But is not a solution if you have other things then blue leds in Scene ☹️ With the flat profil, the blue channel clips only a little bit and you can lower exposure or correct it in post deezid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Also encountered another big issue. The infamous ghosting issue from the GH5 which was fixed with firmware 2.0 made its comeback. Really thinking about selling the camera again. All my artificial light shots are basically messed up. Download provided on Vimeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mgee Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 @deezid Damn...the images from this camera looking so clean...makes me wanna switch from my BMPCC4K/6K ? Is that external / internal recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 6:56 PM, Mike Mgee said: @deezid Damn...the images from this camera looking so clean...makes me wanna switch from my BMPCC4K/6K ? Expand you have a Pocket 6K? Want to change? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Amazing that these problems happen in cameras aimed at the pro video market. Mind you, I never had any of those problems with my GH5. Probably bought it with 2.0 firmware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 6:58 PM, Thpriest said: Amazing that these problems happen in cameras aimed at the pro video market. Mind you, I never had any of those problems with my GH5. Probably bought it with 2.0 firmware. Expand Since firmware 2.0 on the GH5 the issues were gone. Was shooting at ISO5000 even without any issues. Now I can only use up to ISO1600 I have another shot at ISO6400 where the out of focus background is looking like it's floating around in slow motion, will upload that sample as well. All caused by too much temporal noise reduction - it creates artifacts and only works when the image is static. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 6:58 PM, deezid said: Since firmware 2.0 on the GH5 the issues were gone. Was shooting at ISO5000 even without any issues. Now I can only use up to ISO1600 I have another shot at ISO6400 where the out of focus background is looking like it's floating around in slow motion, will upload that sample as well. All caused by too much temporal noise reduction - it creates artifacts and only works when the image is static. Expand If I understand you, you are talking about the S1. You can only shoot cleanly up to 1600??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 7:04 PM, Thpriest said: If I understand you, you are talking about the S1. You can only shoot cleanly up to 1600??? Expand Yes above that temporal filtering kicks in and messes around with the image. I'd rather have more noise like on the Pocket 4K than a wobbly mess and trailing. On the GH5 ISO800 was the max. ISO without it in the past. But now you can easily use ISO3200 without any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 7:06 PM, deezid said: Yes above that temporal filtering kicks in and messes around with the image. I'd rather have more noise like on the Pocket 4K than a wobbly mess and trailing. On the GH5 ISO800 was the max. ISO without it in the past. But now you can easily use ISO3200 without any issues. Expand Hopefully they'll fix that soon otherwise the camera is a no go. I was considering it as quite a lot of my work involved shooting in available light (1600-6400 iso). What a bummer along with the blue problem, looks like it is no good for event work (concerts, corporate, weddings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 7:15 PM, Thpriest said: Hopefully they'll fix that soon otherwise the camera is a no go. I was considering it as quite a lot of my work involved shooting in available light (1600-6400 iso). What a bummer along with the blue problem, looks like it is no good for event work (concerts, corporate, weddings). Expand It's really sad. This camera could've been fantastic. The S1H seems to do the same processing and therefor has the same issues as the S1. That means only recording RAW externally may help... Thpriest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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