Brooke ZILR Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 4:26 AM, Justforfun said: The 4k60 on the XT3 has a slight crop but otherwise it was great IQ. The thing with Fuji was their lenses breathed so heavily and their pricing really did not make sense. I guess you have to compensate with reframing or shooting wider than our normally would. I remembered designing icons for AtomOS 9 for Flog, but I never got to use the camera when it was in the office as it was either being tested or we had to take marketing shots of it. But it looks good spec-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Lars Steenhoff said: More than 8 won't work. Thanks again for taking the time for that confirmation, Lars, much appreciated! I was a little too busy and excited yesterday at the prospect of having access to the VariCam LUTs that had I merely taken the time to RTFM on the matter I would have seen that this LUT naming scheme is actually covered in the S1 Firmware Addendum for the DC-S1 on page F-13 and confirms your "8.3" reporting "to a T"... << • The following LUT data can be used: – The “.vlt” format, which meets the requirements specified in the “VARICAM 3DLUT REFERENCE MANUAL Rev.1.0” – File names consisting of up to 8 alphanumeric characters (excluding extension) • Save the LUT data with a file extension of “.vlt” in the root directory of the card (the folder opened when the card is opened on a PC). >> ...User Manual screenshot from that page below... Geoff_L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyou86 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Question to S1 owners: does the S1 have HDMI lag like the GH5? Can't wait to receive mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Steenhoff Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 hours ago, funkyou86 said: Question to S1 owners: does the S1 have HDMI lag like the GH5? Can't wait to receive mine... Every hdmi connection has lag, don’t know how much compared to hg5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke ZILR Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Yes, due do the path that HDMI takes, there will be lag. It’s not a priority of the manufactures, and as they spec up a camera in advance and have to use that ASIC for three years generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I wish HDMI never became the standard connection of choice for external output on prosumer cameras. Audio is almost always recorded on a dedicated device through either XLR or 3.5mm audio jack. What was wrong with BNC SDI? Please don't tell me it was because of HDCP ? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Andrew's video test ! Hope it was not a "supposed to be hidden before the article is online" video accidentally released ? Maybe M83's We Own The Sky Track plays a big role in the feeling, but I really really love the image ! Lars Steenhoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ale82 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Video Hummus said: I wish HDMI never became the standard connection of choice for external output on prosumer cameras. Audio is almost always recorded on a dedicated device through either XLR or 3.5mm audio jack. What was wrong with BNC SDI? Please don't tell me it was because of HDCP ? Probably it's the same thing you find in many other fields. For example I have a Ford Fiesta utility car. My father has a Volvo station wagon which costs new about 2-3 times as much. In my car for example, the doors have some kind of a shitty plastic handle which has an even shittier plastic pivot inside which on avarage breaks off about once every 3 years, making the door impossible to open. In my father's car the door is made only in metal and never broke. Now what's the difference in the manufacture cost of a plastic handle versus a metal handle? Probably 2 euro? Which in a 15000 euro car is absolutely nothing, but anyway in utility cars you find shitty plastic handles. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 13 hours ago, Video Hummus said: I wish HDMI never became the standard connection of choice for external output on prosumer cameras. Audio is almost always recorded on a dedicated device through either XLR or 3.5mm audio jack. What was wrong with BNC SDI? Please don't tell me it was because of HDCP ? I'll not bicker connectors, I "get" the needs and desires for external monitoring and backup, I am more miffed that internal recording for all of the various provided formats and frame rates are not being provided for by the various camera manufacturers making it a de facto scenario (read: standard) that to utilize the highest recording capabilities (i.e. 10-bit 4:2:2 60P 4K in the case of the S1, with the other manufacturers offering their own unique and peculiar top-end caveats) it is mandatory to outfit one's gear with (which for some of us is) unmanageable and outright impractical-to-use-in-the-field gizmos and their associated dangling wires and bits. I invite the CEOs and design teams of any of these companies to come and join me when I have to go thrashing about in the twigs and branches and snags in search of my subject matter. Haw! Camera lights and tripods and recording dongles...give me a break. Oofah. :) Camera, lens, hot shoe mic, thank you very much. Over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2019 Yes the image is playing in the big league. Hard to show on YouTube. I've decided to self-host the video. I'll upload the higher bitrate version to Vimeo later today. Here are my thoughts on it so far... https://www.eoshd.com/2019/07/panasonics-10bit-v-log-on-the-s1-review-the-full-frame-eva1/ andrgl and Geoff_L 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 imo it is far too detailed, even shooting with the softest lenses this will still be too detailed. Looking at peoples detailed skin makes me unconfy and takes me out of the story quickly. Season 2 of "Dark" did this for me as well, I would see these big pores and I would feel Trypophobia coming up really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2019 Bullshit Lux Shots and SteveOakley 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Bullshit. I said imo. There are no face close ups in theses shots, so I cannot compare. But the logs and leaves are already too detailed for my taste. It makes it look far more video'y then cinematic. But then again in my opinion :))) SteveOakley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManuelEropa Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Thanks! Which means that the 6k S1H might as well be a game changer like the agdvx100 was in 2003... What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: imo it is far too detailed, even shooting with the softest lenses this will still be too detailed. Looking at peoples detailed skin makes me unconfy and takes me out of the story quickly. Season 2 of "Dark" did this for me as well, I would see these big pores and I would feel Trypophobia coming up really fast. Good to hear ! I absolutely love the image from Dark 2 (maybe the Alexa 65 effect !) ? I loved the image from season 1, to a point that led me to reconsider my output when shooting videos (yeah, I am easily impressionable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: I said imo. There are no face close ups in theses shots, so I cannot compare. But the logs and leaves are already too detailed for my taste. It makes it look far more video'y then cinematic. But then again in my opinion :))) No, it's just what happens when you scale 4K in an embedded player over the web, especially on a phone screen or a 1080p laptop. If you play the original 10bit H.264 on a 4K laser projector, you'd change your opinion of the camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Geoff_L said: Good to hear ! I absolutely love the image from Dark 2 (maybe the Alexa 65 effect !) ? I loved the image from season 1, to a point that led me to reconsider my output when shooting videos (yeah, I am easily impressionable). I liked the look of season 1 a lot more. (Story as well) 3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: No, it's just what happens when you scale 4K in an embedded player over the web, especially on a phone screen or a 1080p laptop. If you play the original 10bit H.264 on a 4K laser projector, you'd change your opinion of the camera. Maybe but when will I be able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2019 You don't need to, just understand the principal behind what I'm saying. Kubrickian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Fotis Georgoulakis Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Hi Andrew, you mentioned that the S1's long GOP is equal to ALL- I. can you do a curly hair chroma-key test between All-I (GH5) / Long GOP from S1 and a take with p4K BRAW? it would be very interesting to see the results. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart0less Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Yes the image is playing in the big league. Hard to show on YouTube. I've decided to self-host the video. I'll upload the higher bitrate version to Vimeo later today. Here are my thoughts on it so far... https://www.eoshd.com/2019/07/panasonics-10bit-v-log-on-the-s1-review-the-full-frame-eva1/ Andrew, is this your sub-200$ entry challenge? ? cheorge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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