animan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Its not a case of 'this cameras bad and this ones good', just about needs and preferences, for me I always think of the GH2, GH3 and G6 whenever I see the image as being good for some car or product commercial or flashy music video whereas Nikons for me generally have a more dreamy or nostalgic feel that I just prefer. Canon has their own look too which is somewhere in between but also pretty different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well for me the Canon 5D3 is to soft unless you use RAW The G6 and GH3 are 4.2.0 8 bit and no matter how good the image may look this problem will always crop up in some way or another. The only camera here that can give a professional image is a hacked Canon and then would you trust it for professional use writing to SD cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 A professional image is one that you can use on a project for a client that pays you money, its a little irrational to say that thats impossible with a 5D3, GH3, 550D etc etc.. DV wasnt that long ago and people were making money with it for a long time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 A professional image is one that you can use on a project for a client that pays you money, its a little irrational to say that thats impossible with a 5D3, GH3, 550D etc etc.. DV wasnt that long ago and people were making money with it for a long time! No your right What I should have said is a film replacement camera. It wasn't that long ago and still can make films using super16mm and 35mm and that has been the case for many years. Although technology has advanced we haven't actually advanced our position of what we can do by that much re picture quality. Most people in the UK still watch standard definition TV. The reason you would want the best quality is for post and for HD and cinema and also future proofing. If you want to make a pop, Internet DVD, or even HD with limited colour correction then go with the G6 as it probably wont matter that much and you probably could make a feature film with 8 bit 4.2.0 But why limit yourself with what should be old technology now. its only really popular with Japanese manufacturers as a way to keep technology reserved for the more professional professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 the feature film 'Upstream Color' was shot on a Panansonic GH2 the cinematography is supeb it looks stunning and has had a world wide cinematic release - yes it has been on show here in the UK GH2 has the same sensor as the G6 - the G6 produces an even nicer image than the GH2 so I dont see Panasonic cameras as limiting in any way what so ever - you can sucessfully make a feature film for Theatrical Release with a Panasonic Camera - 8 bit 4.2.0 makes no differance to Cinema audiances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstream_Color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I saw that one at the cinema, I thought it was great, really trippy! You could definitely tell what it was shot on, but of course it didn't matter in the long run... The colour changed incessantly from shot to shot, but because it fitted the disorientation of piece it worked. I think a more traditional story with such jarring tonal vibration would distract the viewer, but here it actually enhances the piece! It's a matter of personal taste from the creators point of view. We're lucky to have such a pallete of cheap tools to paint with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Owner of the G6 since yesterday. Colors are definitely nicer than those of the GH2. Now I am all for grading, not because I detest good video out-of-cam, but because it's fun. An image that shines does so because of vivid skin tones. So it's not just a matter of shoving colors in post to cover the so-called skin line, but mainly because a broader spectrum around that line was recorded in the first place (must be the Canon magic). Otherwise your motifs will look doughy. I don't know yet, how good the colors actually are compared to EOS. With raw, you shouldn't have to worry about colors, if post-grading raw photos is comparable. I will have the Pocket (hopefully it won't take too long), and it will have a complete, well-thought-out rig from the beginning, and some day raw, for the price of a Mark III (body only). andy lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Rios Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 New PRICE for G6.... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CFCTDD6/ref=pe_211290_33392860_email_1p_0_ti Best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefydiscovery Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 d5200 destroys g6..ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHorror Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 on some videos i see g6 sharp!on other soft! that russian guy has many g6 vs canon videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHorror Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 in that video i see that d5200 is better than g6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 the G6 produces a very very sharp image better then my hacked Driftwood GH2 at 170mb/s please take into consideration you are looking at highly compressed frootage on youtube/ vimeo and they do not state what lenses they are using , a soft lens on a Red Epic will produce a soft image I use Carl Zeiss lenses on my G6 and it is razar sharp and holds up well against Red Epic footage when in the edit suite midloch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midloch Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 d5200 destroys g6..ever To me G6 is much much better than d5200 except only one sItuation and it is a low light scene, G6: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I shot and Directed this pop video on a Panasonic G6 with Zeiss Lenses you can see how sharp it is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHorror Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Andy, could you suggest some sharp lenses for g6? (Someone should do a topic about lenses) :) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yashica 24mm f2.8 stunning sharp Carl Zeiss Distagon equivilant lens made in same factory in Japan just alot cheaper - use this as your standard every day lens its very good !! Carl Zeiss Vario Sonnar 28-70mm - unreal lens very very sharp - aspheric element Canon FD 24-35mm f3.5 L SERIES - amazing go to all purpose lens , very very sharp has aspheric elements Canon FD 35-105mm f3.5 very very sharp constant aperture zoom - great for Paul Greengrass /Barry Ackroyd Bourme Ultimatum type zooms - (the zooms on the black background on the vid above are this lens) Canon fd 50mm f1.7 - sharp cheap canon fd 28mm f2.8 - bloody sharp cheap !! Sigma FD fit 24mm f2.8 - has nice colours and is cheap very sharp too! I do really like the Panasonic kit lens 14-42mm - its very very sharp has aspheric elements I do use it alot for outside shots with ND 4 or ND 8 on it a killer insanly sharp lens is the Carl Zeiss N Mount 24-85mm - its is one of my favourite lenses and is rediculously sharp - Im talking PL mount cinema lens sharp - makes the G6 look like RED EPIC with the fine detail it renders - we use this lens alot Carl Zeiss Biometar 80mm f2.8 in pentacon 6 mount- mine is 50 years old !! 1963 model - but it is a superb portrait lens I use for head shots amd close ups - Razor Sharp!!!! (head shots on vid above are this lens) Panasonic 14mm f2.4 very sharp and cheap too - nice wide lens - great on street scenes in cities. my latest new toy Fujinon c mount 25mm f1.4 - very sharp wide open superb for night street scenes where you have neon etc I very rarely shoot past f2.8 on the G6 as the dof gets too narrow for me , at night I like the f1.4 Fujinon but as a whole I shoot alot of f2.8 - 3.5 on set ,as DOF is usable but looks cinematic. Im not into 5mm dof its unusable for me , so dont be afraid of buying f2.8 and f3.5 lens for the G6 - remember if you are outside you will be using NDs and down at f5.6 if cloudy and f8 - f11 with ND4 in the sun , so your fast lens is working slower anyhow due to the light. On set you just light the set for f2.8 or f3.5 and you can hit marks Ok with Actors its usable for me..... JackHorror 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHorror Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thank you Andy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 another point to note is some of these zoom lenses with Aspheric elements are sharper than most prime lenses Yes zooms with aspheric elements are very very sharp and I tend to use them alot as a 'variable prime' , meaning I dont go zooming them in and out I just use the zoom function to frame the shot how I want it if you get these 3 zooms you can cover 90% of you shots Panasonic 14-42mm kit lens Canon FD 24-35mm f3.5 Canon FD 35-105mm f3.5 That takes you from 14mm to 105mm (full frame equivilant 28mm- 210mm) then maybe get a fast f1.4 prime for night shooting and your bokeh madness arty shots the Fujinon c mount 25mm f1.4 is very sharpa nd very cheap on ebay JackHorror 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHorror Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Well i need a good sharp lens mainly for video. I will choose one from your "list" Panasonic 24p looks sharper than 25p? Or its my idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 HUGE depth of field everything is in focus!! = video looking Yup...As well as frame rate. M43 sensors with a f2.8 and 24p is going to emulate a "cinematic" look. It just will. MKII with f16 and 60p will look "video." It just will. Gotta know what you're doing and why things do what they do to get the images required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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