Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 What are your guys’ favorite settings for Panasonic cameras that don’t have v-log? I’ve been using natural with contrast -5 and sat -3 and it grades well, but with contrast at 0 and sat at -2 the color tonality shines. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kuźniar Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 CineD standard - it's the perfect balance between flat enough to give me some options in post and not too flat that grading is a nightmare with that 8bit codec. For vlogs and quick videos natural standard is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Do you keep saturation at 0? People have said it results in color channel clipping. Also does flattening natural increase dynamic range? Or is that only with CineD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On G7 I use Natural with contrast at 0, color -2, sharpness and noise reduction at -5. So, not messing with the 709 curve, nice potential for grading. On G6 I shot everything at -2 and found my own grading workflow to get nice poppy colors. Just ISO 1600 was too much for the slim HD codec. 100mbit 4k codec on the G7 is very good though, so much better thant G6. Anyhow, some G6 example after heavier grading with -2 on everything on natural profile. mercer, IronFilm and webrunner5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 I’m impressed with how much you can push the image even without contrast turned down. Those were nice shots btw. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kuźniar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 1:24 PM, Shell64 said: Do you keep saturation at 0? People have said it results in color channel clipping. Also does flattening natural increase dynamic range? Or is that only with CineD? Expand Yep, everything at 0. Never had any issues with it and I've learned to not listen to what people are saying ? Not too sure about that since I keep mine at 0 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimor Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Best way to find the "sweet spot" is this android app and a good/calibrate external monitor. BTM_Pix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/30/2019 at 8:34 AM, Grimor said: Best way to find the "sweet spot" is this android app and a good/calibrate external monitor. Expand Can you change the settings while recording? Also would love an iOS version as I don’t have android. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 30, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/30/2019 at 11:36 AM, Shell64 said: Can you change the settings while recording? Also would love an iOS version as I don’t have android. Expand Yes you can change the settings. It is a derivative of this more comprehensive automated app which enables you to set a range for the parameter(s) that you are interested in changing. When you have set those, it will step through each permutation and take a still or do it continuously as one piece of video. When it is running, it displays the settings on the screen so you can film them at the same time as a colour chart or whatever subject you are interested in so you can reference the settings for the look that you want. There is no oIS version but it runs on very modest Android hardware so any cheap used handset can be used if you want to run it. Adam Kuźniar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 Neat. I don’t have an android device, but I could experiment with android x86 on my pc. That’s a cool app. You are ingenious @BTM_Pix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kuźniar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 You're one smart man @BTM_Pix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 30, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/30/2019 at 11:54 AM, Shell64 said: You are ingenious @BTM_Pix Expand On 7/30/2019 at 11:56 AM, Adam Kuźniar said: You're one smart man @BTM_Pix Expand Nah, an ingenious and/or smart man would have charged you for it Adam Kuźniar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 I guess Canon is comparable to Albert Einstein then! Adam Kuźniar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 30, 2019 Super Members Share Posted July 30, 2019 If Canon were Einstein, E = mc2 would be E = (mc2) * 1.74 if it was 4K webrunner5, Grimor and Shell64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 *2.5 if it were the m50 webrunner5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 8:50 PM, PannySVHS said: On G7 I use Natural with contrast at 0, color -2, sharpness and noise reduction at -5. So, not messing with the 709 curve, nice potential for grading. On G6 I shot everything at -2 and found my own grading workflow to get nice poppy colors. Just ISO 1600 was too much for the slim HD codec. 100mbit 4k codec on the G7 is very good though, so much better thant G6. Anyhow, some G6 example after heavier grading with -2 on everything on natural profile. Expand Love your work, Panny!!! Do you know how the .mov all-i codec on the GH3 is? I still can’t believe you have to buy a GH5 to get the all-i codec from Panasonic... all of these sub-$1000 Panasonic cameras should have all-i 1080p. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 I agree. Although it’s not hard to get with a cheap ninja 2 recorder. The 1080p Panasonic gives is great but wish we got that beefy all I codec. On 7/30/2019 at 5:14 PM, mercer said: Love your work, Panny!!! Do you know how the .mov all-i codec on the GH3 is? I still can’t believe you have to buy a GH5 to get the all-i codec from Panasonic... all of these sub-$1000 Panasonic cameras should have all-i 1080p. Expand YouTube Nigel barrow does a lot of content on the Panasonic gh3 and older cams like that. I like his channel. He said that the all-I codec grades worse and has more noise than the 50mbps intra-frame codec. Probably because infra-frame is more efficient. *Nigel Barros (not Nigel barrow) PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 https://www.eoshd.com/2012/09/the-panasonic-gh3-is-here/ I Never liked mine. I thought the output just lacked, well it lacked a lot to me. Sold it in less than 4 months. I think I had my Panny AF100A at the time and never could get it to match. But for the money they cost now probably a pretty good deal to have. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/30/2019 at 5:14 PM, mercer said: Love your work, Panny!!! Do you know how the .mov all-i codec on the GH3 is? I still can’t believe you have to buy a GH5 to get the all-i codec from Panasonic... all of these sub-$1000 Panasonic cameras should have all-i 1080p. Expand Thanks Glenn! The GH4 has a HD all intra codec with 200mbit and it costs less than 1000usd now, or the Fz2000 you had, 200mbit, also in the sub 1000 dollar category. Right, like Shell64 wrote, the 72mbit all-i is to stay away from, the 50mbit interframe codec should be pretty nice. webrunner5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/30/2019 at 7:21 PM, PannySVHS said: Thanks Glenn! The GH4 has a HD all intra codec with 200mbit and it costs less than 1000usd now, or the Fz2000 you had, 200mbit, also in the sub 1000 dollar category. Right, like Shell64 wrote, the 72mbit all-i is to stay away from, the 50mbit interframe codec should be pretty nice. Expand 50mbit interframe codec Should be equivalent to about 150mbit all-i in my experience, so not too bad. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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