gelaxstudio Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 DPreview had just reviewed the S1R, and the results are not impressive The 4K of S1R is so soft! And 1080p of the S1 is fill with Moire~ Even X-T3 performs much better than S1&S1R! Guys,what is your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, gelaxstudio said: Guys,what is your thoughts? You stole this headline from Tony Northup ? ?! Joking aside, thanks for the links. I am gonna check that on a real screen and not my phone. But given the look of the S1 videos and the first impressions of VLOG users, I think that the dpreviews demo scene is one thing, and real world use another... Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 My thoughts are start watching all the new vlog videos people are posting with their S1 and be honest with yourself with what you see. That chump gives me heartburn. He’s the master of bullshit clickbait YouTube. He’s not afraid to contradict himself, so he covers all the fanboy talking points. 6 minutes ago, Geoff_L said: You stole this title from Tony Northup ? ?! sanveer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: My thoughts are start watching all the new vlog videos people are posting with their S1 and be honest with yourself with what you see. That chump gives me heartburn. He’s the master of bullshit clickbait YouTube. He’s not afraid to contradict himself, so he covers all the fanboy talking points. Yeah dpreview charts are one thing and real world results are another. For example on paper my g7’s DR is okay but in real life it really seems pretty good to me. The s1 v-log footage looks amazing, way better than a7iii or Nikon z6. No oversharpening, crazy DR and canon-level skin tones. It almost looks like an Alexa, and the image in my opinion is even better looking at the BMPCC4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Shell64 said: Yeah dpreview charts are one thing and real world results are another. For example on paper my g7’s DR is okay but in real life it really seems pretty good to me. The s1 v-log footage looks amazing, way better than a7iii or Nikon z6. No oversharpening, crazy DR and canon-level skin tones. It almost looks like an Alexa, and the image in my opinion is even better looking at the BMPCC4k. Most of the cameras nowadays shoots good images in real world ，in fact ，that chart is a real thing in the real world too，it is not CG This is the best reference I can find so far No other way I can think of to compare such many camera with the same conditions at the momment Whether S1 or S1R worth the price when compare to the others，that is the question here~ I am not go for the S1 or S1R after seeing these results The X-T3 looks invincible now Does Panasonic know the video quality of the S1&S1R is bad，so that they planing to make S1H? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Sharpness, detail and moire are just a few of many image quality metrics. If you compare S1 and A7 III, the 4K quality is identical. But S1 offers better DR, colour and way more framerate and codec options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, androidlad said: Sharpness, detail and moire are just a few of many image quality metrics. If you compare S1 and A7 III, the 4K quality is identical. But S1 offers better DR, colour and way more framerate and codec options. The nikon Z6 does too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andjo Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 You are right that it looks terrible, not sure what is going on there? I mean 4k even looks worse than Canon 5D4/1DX which is known to have soft 4k. I'll remain a bit skeptical to this test ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I won't sleep for a week... LOL : -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 3, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2019 A complete troll of a headline, from somebody who doesn't even know what he's looking at. He's crudely re-scaled the screen grabs... Looks like they are off his phone! Here are the full JPEGs from DPReview. Click, download, crop in and look at 100%. Sony A7 III Panasonic S1 The Fuji X-T3 is the best resolving camera on the market at the moment. However the difference is very minor. The chart is designed to show even minor differences that vanish in normal viewing conditions when not pixel peeping, or on a normal subject. Viewing footage in a cinema, the small differences would also vanish due to viewing distances. And we've had the argument before with the EOS R that pin-sharpness is not what you want. It isn't cinematic. You need a natural looking image, which you can add sharpness to in post when needed and 99% of the time it isn't. Also Dpreview did the chart test before the V-LOG codec upgrade came out and the don't specify their sharpness settings. The S1 doesn't have a moire problem and it resolves 4K as well as the top 5% of cameras DPReview have tested over the years. tellure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip77 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Shell64 said: Yeah dpreview charts are one thing and real world results are another. For example on paper my g7’s DR is okay but in real life it really seems pretty good to me. The s1 v-log footage looks amazing, way better than a7iii or Nikon z6. No oversharpening, crazy DR and canon-level skin tones. It almost looks like an Alexa, and the image in my opinion is even better looking at the BMPCC4k. S1 doesn't look WAY BETTER then the Z6. I haven't seen it in comparison footage. The Z6 you can lower the sharpness to - 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 No one that has actually seen S1 footage would call it "unbelievably bad." What a weird thing to say, even if trolling. webrunner5, Mako Sports and Geoff CB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 3, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2019 A fraction behind the ultimate 6K -> 4K oversampled image on a chart, but better in real-world due to larger sensor, would be a better topic title ? webrunner5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 You sound like a YouTube trying to get canon to sponsor their 6d mark ii review Mako Sports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 3, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2019 Canon has Peter McKinnon, but maybe they need the combined bullshitting power of Peter AND gelaxstudio too. GELAX... is that a lubricant or a condom brand? wolf33d and Mako Sports 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shell64 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Throw in tony northrup and some JR ALLI c i n e m a t i c luts and s p i c y cinema grade black bars.png and c a n o n color and you have the perfect monitization machine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: And we've had the argument before with the EOS R that pin-sharpness is not what you want. It isn't cinematic. You need a natural looking image, which you can add sharpness to in post when needed and 99% of the time it isn't. As much as I dislike the EOS R in concept. Ignoring the dynamic range (for a full frame camera) the image out of camera is great. The S1 is the same. Just a combination of things that make it look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Canon has Peter McKinnon, but maybe they need the combined bullshitting power of Peter AND gelaxstudio too. GELAX... is that a lubricant or a condom brand? That's a bit of a low blow andrew, as host of this site and a mentor with much experience and alot to offer the rest of us. I,d expect a more tolerant attitude. Comments like this do not grow your website. regardless of whether he's right,wrong or a complete idiot. I know you have this persona of telling it like it is and thats fine. However making it personal and smiting some one down with derogatory comments makes you no better than the schoolyard bully colepat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Canon has Peter McKinnon, but maybe they need the combined bullshitting power of Peter AND gelaxstudio too. GELAX... is that a lubricant or a condom brand? Why this has to be personal, did I offend you somehow？ I did not judge your personality If this is not moire ,what else it can be? You can disagree with me,or make your own review to prove Dpreview done a wrong test . And I am not making fake news here,all I did is posted some screenshots of Dpreview‘s website and share some of my thoughts baseed on what I saw If this is something bullshit or something misleading，try tell that to the Dpreview ，not me 3 hours ago, leslie said: That's a bit of a low blow andrew, as host of this site and a mentor with much experience and alot to offer the rest of us. I,d expect a more tolerant attitude. Comments like this do not grow your website. regardless of whether he's right,wrong or a complete idiot. I know you have this persona of telling it like it is and thats fine. However making it personal and smiting some one down with derogatory comments makes you no better than the schoolyard bully Right，if I done something wrong ，I will apologize and stop posting wrong materials Andrew Reid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 well the topic was kind inflammatory and considering andrew did a review of it not so long ago and gave it a thumbs up. i think people should take a more considerate approach to potential forum titles. and leave the clickbait titles to bloggers colepat and webrunner5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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